They're also getting uglier and uglier. The Chinese are running away (not only) in terms of design...
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@jkb92 the China tin cans are only bought because they are heavily subsidized. I've only seen one BYD so far, but thousands of Teslas.
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@Brandon90 Without subsidies, Chinese cars would be less attractive in Europe, but not without a chance.
They benefit greatly from state support, but also offer genuine technical quality and innovation.

PS: The "new" Tesla really doesn't look innovative.....
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@Brandon90 is not true. Go to France. And here in Germany, it's just getting started. There are very chic showrooms in all major German cities. You have to put in a lot of marketing effort with the Germans because they prefer to buy the same quality for a lot of money out of a misguided sense of (brand) patriotism (and I'm not talking about luxury cars). As we all know, taste is subjective and I find some of the Chinese cars very stylish (for example Nio, Lucid, BYD Seal)...
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@7Trader I say yes. China is subsidizing so that the cars are bought. The new models are not supposed to be innovative, but affordable. If you want innovation, take a look at the Tesla Roadster on the website. In 2.1 seconds to 100km/h, +400km/h maximum speed and 1000 km range and therefore faster than many Porsche models
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@Brandon90 don't get anywhere, but we don't have to :)
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@jkb92 no. The nice thing is, everyone can decide for themselves what they like 🤪
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@Brandon90 China subsidizes electric cars, among other things, to secure technological independence, economic strength and global power.
A completely normal cut-throat competition. But that doesn't make them bad vehicles. I don't understand your approach at all. You're a Tesla fanboy and are completely closed to other opinions.
Such an attitude is certainly not an advantage on the stock market
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@7Trader I like the company, but I'm still open to other technologies or companies. You don't know me, so you don't need to make any insinuations here. I'm pro-Tesla and I'm allowed to be. If someone should drive a Chinese car, then they should do it. I merely gave the example that you see far more Teslas than Chinese cars. And because you mentioned the stock market: my investment in Tesla has paid off 😉
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@jkb92 Lucid is American