@VincP3 I wouldn't care either, whilst arms industries are not nice they are a necessary evil and they are heavily restricted to who they can supply with equipment.

They are also important for defense reasons.

For moral reasons I don't invest in cigarette companies as I personally think they are worse than arms industries.

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Pedi@Pedi

1Settimana

Sure, indirectly that's true. Looking at it another way, if we didn't have a military, other countries would probably invade us regularly. The military exists for protection, for deterrence, and ultimately also to kill. If you are aware of this, you also have to accept that people are killed in the process, which makes it immoral in my eyes.
At the same time, it should also be said that emotions have no place in investment decisions.
Another example: exploiting people for starvation wages just because we are not prepared to pay two euros more for clothes is also a form of torture or artificially created suffering for me. If you are aware of such connections and understand the positive and negative effects your actions have on others, then in the end it is still your decision whether you speak out for or against it.
For my part, I know it's immoral and I invest in it anyway.
I also know that taking the train is better for the environment, but I still drive a car because the train never arrives on time anyway. In other areas, I am more sustainable.
We can't talk you out of investing from an ethical point of view, nor should we. It would not be true.
The crucial question is: does it bother you that you are acting immorally in this respect?
If so, then draw your own conclusions and get rid of the investment.

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benkln@benkln

1Settimana

@Pedi No, that doesn't bother me. I always buy more. As you said, I made a similar argument today. Without security, Germany would be flat. The defense and security of a country is the most important asset to protect us and our fellow citizens. We have to do everything we can to ensure that we are safe. As soon as an attack comes. Also, as you say, I do some of my shopping at Zara, which can also be seen as immoral. There was a woman on LinkedIn who said she was a mental health coach and that I had problems in my life. I thought it was very funny, but I'm happy to keep investing😂😂

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BeachPlease@BeachPlease

1Settimana

Oh, always those pacifists. Don't worry about it

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benkln@benkln

1Settimana

@BeachPlease I don't care what others think. Just wanted to ask if anyone has ever been confronted in a similar way😂😂

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Kapitän K.@PalmPirateTechnocrate

1Settimana

@BeachPlease aren't pacifists usually the ones who invest in rheinmetall to wash their defense morals and buy their freedom, so to speak?

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BeachPlease@BeachPlease

1Settimana

@PalmPirateTechnocrate Moin, never served and investing in armaments at 50, do you think? But this is no longer about small investor pacifists, they will be overrun by the majority - preferably with a Panther!

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JM@jm_finance

1Settimana

"Creating peace with weapons" --> unfortunately some countries don't understand it any other way....

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benkln@benkln

1Settimana

@jm_finance Yep

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John@Transporter

1Settimana

Not Rheinmetall, but I also have millions of dead on my conscience thanks to BAT & Co. I don't care, everyone can do what they like. Nobody is forced. If I had Rheinmetall and Co. I wouldn't be bothered by that either.

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benkln@benkln

1Settimana

@Transporter hahahahahaha you murderer!!!

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bull_investor_vkmhk@bull_investor_vkmhk

1Settimana

We can see right now that a country that does not have enough weapons cannot defend its people. In this respect, weapons also protect lives. Sounds paradoxical, but it is true.

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benkln@benkln

1Settimana

@bull_investor_vkmhk Yes, that's exactly how I see it! There was a woman from LinkedIn who does mental health coaching and told me I have problems in life. It's best to buy a few more😂🤞🏻

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bull_investor_vkmhk@bull_investor_vkmhk

1Settimana

@benkln without words. Just don't listen either 👋

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benkln@benkln

1Settimana

@bull_investor_vkmhk I found it very amusing

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❤️DIST-LOVE@DISTLOVE

1Settimana

Yes, always these do-gooders who feel morally superior. Whether you invest in Rheinmetall or not won't change a thing. People have always been at war with each other and that will probably always be the case. Either you profit from it passively or not, you won't stop the war anyway. In any case, I don't think it's bad or morally reprehensible, if that's the way it goes, you shouldn't invest in anything. 👍

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Apa1986@Apa1986

1Settimana

The share is currently 420% overvalued compared to fair value (adjusted earnings). Or to put it another way: the current share price already includes sales / earnings growth until the end of 2027.

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Stephan K.@StrahlemannLP

1Settimana

Well, that's their right to think that, whether it's right is another question. And on the other hand, you can't blame them for thinking that way either, because realistically speaking, you are helping to finance the bullet that kills a person.

Personally, I am not naive enough to believe that if there were no tech companies like Rheinmetall (and they are not only involved in armaments, but are also expanding as a technology group), there would be no wars. that there would also be no wars, because man himself is the problem and craves power and possessions. So there has to be someone who arms people if you don't want people to arm themselves with clubs...

I myself therefore also invest in Rheinmetall and Renk (which incidentally also manufacture turbines and gearboxes, and not just for tanks).

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Manuel@Ghoscht

1Settimana

Personally, I don't invest in armaments as a matter of principle (I can't avoid it with ETFs). Personal attitude and personal decision.

Wishful thinking: abolish everything, worldwide, then the problem would be solved. Unfortunately, this is really just wishful thinking.

I think it's excessive to condemn another shareholder for this. Everyone decides for themselves. And I don't take the liberty of criticizing others who actively invest in armaments after all. For me, a NO from a financial point of view is perhaps also a mistake (see RHM).

People who want to impose their personal opinion on you are clearly also a no-go. Of course you can discuss it, but in the end you should respect each other. All too often, unfortunately, you experience an emotional discussion in which the other person wants/needs to take the moral high ground and can't deal with other views. In my opinion, this is a very weak character trait and a sign of extreme imbalance.

Conclusion: let them all talk. Save energy and end such discussions as quickly as possible. No matter what arguments party 1 and party 2 find. There will be no common denominator. Unfortunately, that's the way it is.

I wish you success with your investments (and that all weapons in the world are abolished, which is unfortunately unrealistic)

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Jo@oeffi

1Settimana

Morality and the stock market don't go well together. What about BASF, Eli Lilly, Nestlé, Shell, BAT, ... Electronics and clothing are produced in low-wage countries, Amazon exploits its employees, Musk is currently destroying the USA together with Trump. Can I still buy Deutz? How many companies are there that have no scandals and no dirt on them? You have to draw the line for yourself and then live with it.

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Melly@melly-m

1Settimana

I would have to decide on my Lockheed at that time.

If no weapons were manufactured, we would not be able to defend ourselves.
Sales are monitored.
If production stopped, the police and military would not have. But the terrorists would find a way.

But I also have investments that I don't invest in. For example, an English oil company that has demanded oil in Africa and the production facilities are now so rotten that they are causing oil disasters in populated areas.
Nobody has any reservations or inhibitions about investing in this company.

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SG@RundesBalli1

1Settimana

Don't put up with left-wing nutcases!

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Grassberger@Grassberger

1Settimana

MTU would be a good alternative in my opinion.

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Jason M.@JasonMcMillen

1Settimana

I am an ex-soldier and have shot all kinds of weapons, including a Rheinmetall MG3. An indescribable feeling and my favorite weapon, not without reason it is still used as a stationary gun after 80 years. From a military point of view, one could only argue that if no weapons were supplied to Ukraine, the conflict would be over more quickly than this half-position war like in WW1 at the moment. More civilians have already died in the Ukraine conflict than in the German invasion of France in WW2. 30k dead Germans and 90k French soldiers. The longer wars last, the more people and material are lost. On the other hand, Ukraine would simply buy weapons from other third countries. A Western embargo is often useless, as can be seen in the Middle East, Africa and Myanmar. Morally, it would be better if Rheinmetall produced weapons and vehicles only for Germany, for the V case. Merz, a former Blackrock manager, will continue to supply, partly out of greed of course, as these investment banks are invested in the military industrial complex. Every backlash leads to another backlash. What we deliver is also not decisive for war, I can guarantee that, Taurus with 500km would not reach Moscow. UA army is outnumbered 3:1, that's why they lost Kursk and can't hold the south. Everyone thinks it's cool to invest in BAE and Rheinmetall, but when the point of no return comes and we introduce conscription and YOUR ass is in the trenches on the eastern front, I want to see your faces. Just a reminder China once produced 200,000 drones in a month during this conflict, how much DE? China has an army of 2.1 million active soldiers and Russia 1.4 million. 6000 nuclear warheads of which 30 are enough to make the whole of DE uninhabitable, transported by a TU160, the air force doesn't even have a supersonic long-range bomber and A bombs. So if you want to profit from the politics of Blackrock managers and warmongering parties at the expense of 100,000 dead Russian and Ukrainian fathers and profit from the fear of death and the death of others, go ahead. I hope it was worth it. For Merz Putin and Zelensky, we're just pawns on a chessboard, ready to be drafted. But as long as it doesn't affect you and other Ukrainian fathers are kidnapped on the street and die within 24 hours in the Donbass from a drone, all is well. (Nikolaev: the mother then blew herself up in the recruitment office.) The same thing has already happened in Rivne. People you need principles in life Blackrock and Rheinmetall are not among them. Everything can escalate more quickly and you are contributing to it. Rheinmetall is lobbying to continue the war. You can stand behind asymmetric war and the fight against international terrorism, but selling weapons in an endless war to make a profit is not. I hope you find God, amen

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Andrea@ChaosQueen_HH

1Settimana

I also have defense stocks. And I stand by that.
Cars could also be used as weapons and almost everyone still drives them...etc. I'm only interested in money and returns

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