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@Seebi That's how T would like it to be. But it doesn't work.
The Germans get to pay for everything and Europe takes care of the finances. Only works if Germany takes over Europe. 😅
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@Seebi You'd probably like that! 😅

Europe is slow, not stupid.
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@Seebi Trump talks a lot about what he wants to take over, buy and seize. So far, he has mainly fallen out with all his allies, so they are now imposing counter-tariffs and boycotts and ordering their weapons systems elsewhere. Everyone is allowed to pursue their own strategies, but I think it's just as doubtful that the Americans will sell a lot to Europe and Ukraine under this administration and that Europe will pay for it as it is that Trump will finish the wall to Mexico and the Mexicans will pay for it.
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@Seebi I don't share that view at all. Europe is the largest single market in the world, bigger than the USA. We don't even need to talk about the GDP of the Russian Federation, which is smaller than that of Italy.

In military terms, Putin has been trying to defeat Ukraine, which is many times smaller and weaker, for three years and has not succeeded. I think it is rather unlikely that he will now march through to Western Europe with his army, where there are more troops and material available in Europe than he has, even without the USA. Especially as he would have to secure thousands of kilometers of his own territory at the same time.

In my view, talking to Trump and Putin is completely pointless because they don't stick to any agreements anyway. 😅
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@Seebi Talk to Trump and Putin - to listen to their power fantasies and world division plans? You can do that, but Europe shouldn't expect much from it.

Europe is now officially the last constitutional power bloc in the world. That is worth defending. It will take a while for the Europeans to understand what that means.
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@Seebi Yes, he should definitely wait another 5 years, because we are almost incapable of defending ourselves before then. We are only just starting to arm ourselves, so it would be totally unfair of Putin to attack before then.
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