@Memo0606 I have also been following them for a long time and have often made money with derivatives on them. But when I compare the horrible expected figures and the company's outlook, the deviations are significant. Then it can still go down quite a bit. I had toyed with the idea of buying the derivative that I always trade before the figures after the last dip. Thank God I decided against it. Today 85% minus! With an SL it would only have been 65%. But in the long term the share is worth an investment. But you will get it even cheaper.