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Magic money, deflagrations after 100k and other nonsense

Today a rant about the strange myths of investing.


Just yesterday I had another one of those who claim that dividends are what "compounding" is all about, not growth. Only with dividends does the investment outstrip the demand. They even cited education and Warren Buffet. He can't be wrong with his millions in dividends, can he?


You constantly read about dividend strategies and that you will need them in old age or to pay your rent at some point. Free Money. Financial Freedom. Realty Income, even though their dividends plus growth lags behind a Worl Etf. So flexible, even though you're tied to a dividend day. More growth than without dividends, even if otherwise the companies would be the same if you just reinvested them in said company. Taxes and trading costs, who cares. And compared to partial sales: but you keep your shares. And if they grow, you make more profit than if you had made partial sales. And in a crash, you have cash flow as if nothing had happened.


Now the question: this free money has to come from somewhere, right? Or the misconception. Because in purely technical terms, a dividend is a partial sale (only induced by the company). If dividends were to generate added value, this would also have to be a partial sale plus re-investment. Of course it doesn't. But people believe it does. Why? And what are other myths that are actually nonsense.


Dividend snowballs: I wish it weren't true, but there really are people who believe that a transaction that negatively impacts the value of an investment is somehow magically positive in the same amount of withdrawal if you reinvest that withdrawal. 1000 Euro share value minus 1% is unfortunately 990 Euro share value and a dividend of 10 Euro. Reinvesting these 10 euros leaves you with an investment of 1000 euros. Wait, no, of course not. Taxes and trading costs. You have lost money. And since taxes are incurred by the company and yourself, more than if you had done nothing at all. Dividends reduce the investment (even if you reinvest them). People confuse the effect of growth (which should at best exceed the dividend) with the effect of the dividend. 1000 Euro share value + 1% growth = 1000 Euro share value + 1% growth - 1% dividend + 1x dividend reinvest.

The only interesting thing is that companies pay dividends or not. So there are definitely companies that have more growth + dividend deduction than companies without dividends. But this is not an effect of the dividend. Go figure.


Growth does not change either, as the dividend does not add value. Compounding comes from growth alone.

The number of shares does not change the growth either. 1 share worth 100 euros that grows by 10 % is the same money as holding 0.75 shares in a share worth 100 euros that grows by 10 %.


Flexibility is also nonsense. Partial sales do the same and are more flexible. With dividends, you have the trading costs when you build up the portfolio (you have to reinvest the dividends), and when you sell as and when you need to save. On the other hand, selling without the detour of dividends gives you the flexibility of time that you don't have with dividends. Dividends are paid (and reduce the value of the investment) regardless of what the market is doing. And no, they do not protect you in the event of a crash. 1% of a 50 euro share value is not the same as 1% of a 25 euro share value. Strange that you have to explain this to "educated people".


That's where you end up if you think about it for three seconds: pure dividends are a simplification of de-investment, not saving. Apart from motivation and better companies that pay dividends, a dividend avalanche is complete nonsense.


What else I can think of in terms of misconceptions worthy of Merkel:

Market predictions on "worthless speculation assets" like coins: talking to people who are invested in crypto, they all have a strong opinion on where some coin is going right now. Without any basis. They see a bull run, then a bear market, then a strong sign of a decline (after the fact). Why this should be happening right now: Silence. Or reference to what the coin is doing on a daily basis. You could be looking into a cloudy crystal ball.


After 100k it goes up faster: A confusion of the onset of a noticeable compound interest vs. the investment amount. If you were to save 10k per month or win 100k somewhere, the point where it no longer depends on the savings rate would still be 7-10 years later. Go figure. Nevertheless, hundreds of YouTube videos by mathematical dyslexics on this topic.


Value of a collection: Unfortunately, family affected myself. The collection is worth so much!!!1111!!! Stamps are the little man's shares!!!1111!11 Pick them up. Unfortunately, contact with reality only comes for the heirs when they no longer want to keep umpteen albums. Worthless fuss. If you want to do something good for your heirs: Hard Cash. Meissen porcelain, circulation coins from a vacation, collector's dolls: as long as it is not in its original packaging and has never been scratched, it is worth less than the money that was spent on it. And even if it is: It yields less return than if the money had been invested. So when it comes to succession: invest, don't spend.


What do you think about this?

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Did you record the text? Super exhausting to read... only managed 1/3.
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@VPT I feel the same way
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Stumbled three times while reading, then canceled
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Yep - exhausting
Apart from the fact that I also read a lot of nonsense here. What is so difficult about accepting that everyone can have different preferences and goals? Who says that dividends have to be reinvested? I've also never spoken to anyone who is into dividends and thinks it's "free money". What nonsense
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@Cype If that were the case. How often do we read here about the dividend avalanche or dividend strategy?

And it's good that you agree that dividends are not free money. You've already gone further than many others.

And what was nonsense on my part? Do you believe that dividends somehow magically generate money?
@Madhatter5566 Well, for example, your reference to "does not protect against a crash" with the indication that 1% of €50 is different from 1% of €25 is more of a pro argument than a disadvantage. The dividend doesn't care what the share price is.
@Cype No. 😅

Unless you think 1% of 25 euros is the same as 1% of 50 euros. Is that what you think? Have you done the math?
Dividends are reduced during a crash or stopped or suck an asset dry. You are inflexible compared to a manual partial sale that you could leave when the market is crashing. Dividends are fixed. Partial sales are not.

And your loss of the actual share value is equal to the dividend. It's weird that you think it would be different. Where does your imaginary advantage come from?
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No? I think you're talking kind of crazy and claiming something? I built up an IBM position many years ago when it was still possible to make double-digit purchases. The aim was to realize some of the profits from my portfolio on an ongoing basis, because "you only live once" and dividends simply appeal to me more. Since then, I have been receiving a stable, rising dividend, regardless of whether the share price is at 150 or 100. Then I might have sold at 100, at 150, at 120, at 100,150 etc. I find it unsexy when I look at the current price, so I'm glad I didn't sell anything. The pocket money has also grown considerably in relation to the investment in the meantime, comes punctually and reliably (even in bad times/"crash"). I also don't see what should stop me from partial sales at just under 3x - what's the problem? I'm happy about cash flow and just under 3x, I'm satisfied. Yes, somehow more return is certainly possible, it's a question of the goal. I don't want to become the richest man in the cemetery, so I'm happy to withdraw from a small part of my portfolio. Instead of surrendering to the current market price and giving up parts (e.g. down from 160 to 120), I prefer to do this via stable divs and am happy about a fixed position size. If I now look at the notional book profits for each sale not made, you could actually speak of free money
@Cype Then you haven't done the math right... you're confusing the growth of your share with a dividend effect. Your dividend would not stay the same or increase without the growth of the share/company taking this out.

In principle, you sell when a dividend is triggered by the company. Your reinvestment keeps the value of your investment the same. If it did not grow and you did not reinvest, the value of your company would simply fall in the long term. Quite simply, if your company pays out more than it has and earns, it loses value!

Please do the math. Please show how a company without growth could maintain the value it has with a dividend. Where does money magically come from?
@Madhatter5566 Reinvest mine? Reading and understanding is not your thing, is it? ;-) NO reinvest....
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@Cype You are still confusing dividends with growth. Without the dividend, the share would have grown by the amount of the dividend. The money doesn't just appear with you. My goodness. You could have just as easily sold part without the company paying a dividend and you would have seen the same growth. There is no difference between a partial sale and a dividend
@Madhatter5566 Where do I say that money just appears like that? Old Swede. What's your message? I would have been better off if I had sold shares at 110,120,130,140,150 in the last few years instead of collecting dividends and now holding all original shares at +210 ?
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@Cype? My point was that dividends are indistinguishable from partial sales. You have already automatically sold parts of your position with the dividend at 110, 120, 130, 140, 150 if you have not reinvested it. (Since the share has automatically lost the dividend amount in value). What's not to understand? Money is not simply printed.
@Madhatter5566 Okay, let's take a look at the period from 2017 to 2019. Do you want to tell me that would have been a good period for partial sales? You can add the distributed dividend to the share price, but that doesn't make any difference. Without the dividend, the share price would be higher, of course, but still in the red compared to now. The difference of just under €100 compared to today is not the total dividend payments to date, I can tell you that much ;) The markets go up and down and not just up, so it makes a difference when or if you change your position size
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Not dividend bashing again 🥱
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@Banana_Millionaire Not dividend bashing. Dividends are a fine automatic de-investment option. Bashing the belief that dividends somehow magically create money: Yes!
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@Madhatter5566 sorry, that's just as stupid as your original text. Who are you trying to convince that this isn't dividend bashing? Yourself? At least you seem to have succeeded in that.

I wouldn't even know where to start commenting on your text.

But I do agree with you on one point: dividends are not free money. Just as the second bar in twix is not free. In this world nothing is really for free, everything comes with pros and cons.

But I know that you want to take that as an endorsement of your text, but that's probably because of something else.
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@Eggplant Since there are enough people here who think it's free money....
I have nothing against dividends. They're just not what some illusionary people here say they are. I know I'm hurting feelings. Dividend snowballs, like cryptobros, are a thin-skinned species because they don't have the math on their side.
@Madhatter5566 Sorry, but that's bullshit from people who drink water and drink wine. I'll take the time to take a closer look at your main text later.

It's also interesting that you claim the math isn't on the side of dividend strategists. I can tell you that for me it makes 0 difference whether the dividend is distributed or reinvested.
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@Eggplant Because there is no effect of the dividend on your growth. Correct... dividend out and in is net zero. Or a slight loss thanks to tax and trading costs and the spread on reinvestment.
@Madhatter5566 Dein Textverständnis geht leider gegen 0, nochmal ganz llangsam und extra für dich zum mitdenken:

Die Kosten ausschüttenden ETF vs. thesaurierender ETF sind für mich identisch und das Haarespalten bezgl. Spread ignoriere ich an dieser Stelle.
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@Eggplant? Just compare the same etfs that pay out once and accumulate once. There are a few worldetfs from the same providers, for example. The distributing ones always perform worse in terms of total return. Always. That means you're wrong.
So the curve on justetf for the xtrackers msci world for max period says. Accumulating +144.x̌ Distributing +145.x. Looks like we are both wrong.... 😜
@Eggplant Xtrackers world without dividends 244.50% from 14.08.2014.
Xtrackers dividend msci world 123% from 17.04.20215. The latter still has a dividend of 1.6% per year and started one year later. Doesn't make up for a 120% yield difference. Too lazy to do the math now.
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@Madhatter5566 Come on, it's the combination that does it. Not everyone is a private investor and has the time to focus solely on managing their investments. It certainly always makes sense to invest in such a way that you get the best outcome for yourself.

Personally, I do both... growth stocks and crypto to generate cash and distributing ETFs into which I pump some of it, as they are managed but pay out without any hassle. Of course, I also hold larger dividend positions, which simply make more sense for me in percentage terms and not just 2% in a distributing ETF.

There are X strategies. Everyone has different requirements in terms of time and risk.
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You cite $O as an example, but as a REIT it has to have a certain payout ratio? Yes, it may be that growth stocks are performing better in the current phase. Even when viewed over 15 years. But what happens if things go the way they did between 00 and 13? It took the World Index 13 years to get back to that level. In other words, when you entered in '99, you only started to make gains in 2013 (based on a one-off investment), whereas, to stay with your example of Realty, you would have already achieved a 65% return through dividends. There are always different strategies and that's the way it should be. But to demonize the dividend strategy is nonsense. I myself had growth stocks in the savings phase for years. For me, even Apple is now a dividend stock. My personal yield there is around 8.5%pa. Should I sell them now? Nintendo is at around 12%, so should I get rid of it quickly? For a 20 year old, shares like Realty, Main, Vinci and what they are all called make little sense - I fully agree. But after the savings phase, these shares do make sense. If you can reduce your working hours, for example, and yes, the money is taken out of the company, but that's exactly what the companies want. What should Coca Cola do with around €8 billion more a year? Increase manager salaries?
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@Hotte1909 You're confusing things. I have nothing against dividends as a de-investment strategy per se. But rather against the nonsense that dividends have anything to do with "profit" or are somehow better than pure partial sales. Or that the reinvestment yields more than if the company had paid no dividends at all. Whether a company pays dividends or not makes no difference if you reinvest the dividends. De-investing makes you more inflexible than selling yourself.

O performs worse than the Msci world
If you were to sell a share of Msci World every month, you would do better than a deinvest via reality dividends.
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@Madhatter5566 When de-investing, dividends are much better from a tax perspective than selling shares.
Keyword FiFo principle.
And your above-mentioned argument for fees when reinvesting dividends is now also null and void, which broker still charges fees for savings plans...
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@Dividenden_Monteur You could also simply move the custody account. And since taxes are incurred by both the company and you, I doubt that they are better. In mathematical terms, partial sales are better when saving in order to utilize the tax-free amounts. If you're saving up, I'd push deposits to save tax. Then turn Fimo over.

Do you constantly adjust your savings plans to offset your incoming dividends? And taxes still come in. And you're wasting time in the market waiting for the dividends.
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@Madhatter5566 You don't understand. What if there are years like 00-13? In other words, I buy a World share for €100 now, but next year I only get €10 and it takes 13 years until I get €100 again. Where am I better off with partial sales than with dividends? It seems you all haven't experienced any really bad years yet.
You only know one direction - upwards. A 20% crash and so what? Go through years where it goes down 65% and you'd be happy to have dividend stocks.
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@Hotte1909 What happens if O crashes? Where does the extra money come from if O also crashes? O also lowers dividends if it is affected by the crash. The dividends are deducted from the share value at payout (and mean less payout in absolute terms even if the relative payout remains the same).
Please calculate where you are better or worse off with an equivalent company compared to O with no dividend. Just do it
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@Madhatter5566 What should a securities account transfer change at FiFo?
@Dividenden_Monteur Don't you know this? When you change securities accounts, the youngest ones are booked over first and become the "oldest". This avoids the tax problem. Fifo, so to speak, during the transfer leads to the reverse entry.
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@Madhatter5566 I can't imagine in the slightest that there is such a stupid tax loophole in Germany 🤣
@DerSteuerberater can you say something about it here
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@Dividenden_Monteur The FIFO principle also applies when changing securities accounts. That's how I know it. At least you've learned something new.
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@Madhatter5566 Is there any evidence of this?
You are only changing brokers, your shares remain in the same depositary.
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I don't know what everyone has. I think your contribution is good. That's why I'm following you. And at some point you'll buy your first Bitcoin 😘
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@DonkeyInvestor No. I don't have enough liquid assets to simply buy a Bitcoin. My emergency budget isn't that big.
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@Madhatter5566 So you're a low earner after all, if your monthly salary isn't even enough for one Bitcoin
@DonkeyInvestor Definitely. I'm still looking for the magic source of money. That's why I wrote this post. Maybe someone will finally explain how to make money with technical partial sales when reinvesting. I can part-sell all day long. Just doesn't make a profit:(
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@Madhatter5566 the magic money source is this magic Internet money
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I can explain exactly why dividends are important to me. Basically, it's a choice between a large sum when I'm old, or a smaller payout over time with a smaller sum at the end. Personally, it's better for me if I have more income every year, for example to pay off a house loan or to be able to afford children. I don't need half a million in my pension, but an increased income on the way to retirement.
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@Botrux However, you could also realize the required cash flow through partial sales, as there is technically no difference between dividends and partial sales. In addition, cash flow from the investment is to a certain extent nonsense in the structure of the investment, because then you could also do without it and keep the savings rate lower. If you are unsure that you are not "over-saving" and therefore want the dividend - a partial sale helps just as much as a dividend.
That it is a way of de-investing, yes, of course. If I see it correctly, a dividend is not wrong from a tax point of view when de-investing. You just have the additional costs when reinvesting them when building up the investment, where you don't actually need them yet (spread, tax, trading costs, times of short-term withdrawal). It was about thinking that dividends have any added value when building up the portfolio.
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I still like dividends. 🤷🏻‍♀️

And yes. I'm fully aware of the loss of returns, manual reinvestment via a savings plan increase, taxes (I haven't exhausted the tax-free amount yet anyway...), blah blah blah.

Many people here are very aware of this - and still choose this strategy on purpose.
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@Metis That's also perfectly ok. That's what I said: if you need it as motivation or the companies are growing better than those without.... That's perfectly ok. But it's not free money, nor is it any better. As long as that's clear, it's perfectly ok. I also look at both together.
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Paragraphs. Your text needs paragraphs.
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@Chandra Can I do it
@Chandra And commas!
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Another disciple who has a direct line to the stock market god and is the only one who knows how to do it 🤣
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@Cash4live Please tell us how dividends differ from partial sales and where a benefit for the shareholder magically arises.
Please, try it.
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@Cash4live most of my dividend stocks (and I also have pure growth stocks, ETFs and also the crypto stuff) are so magical that after a few days the dip after the dividend payment is balanced out again. Of course, this may be due to the fact that huge orders are always won afterwards and the stock market reacts to this...
I see dividends as a profit-sharing scheme for shareholders and I think that's better than combining low growth with no dividend.
Everyone follows their own strategy and if you become a millionaire before me, I'll be happy for you... until then, I'm happy about dividends too.
@Cash4live So you think that dividends that are paid out and reduce the share price to the same extent are automatically and magically replenished by the market? Interesting. Or are you confusing dividend deduction with whitewashing through normal growth?
What do you think would happen if the company did not pay a dividend? In your opinion, shouldn't every company be stupid not to pay a dividend? Why doesn't a company simply pay out more dividends than it has on credit if the market magically fills it up? Questions upon questions.

Profit sharing also applies to partial sales without the company paying extra taxes to you.

No idea why you want to make a dick comparison of assets. Everyone is at a different stage of life. I still need a while, maybe yours is longer but mine is thinner. 👍
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So stopped reading after a few sentences. Boy, can't you at least send this to ChatGPT to give it some structure? Fucking exhausting to read.
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@DISTLOVE No, unfortunately not. Did chatgpt tell you that dividends magically generate money?
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@Madhatter5566 I'm not dealing with the content of your drivel in any way. I'm purely concerned with readability and structure.
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@DISTLOVE Yes, that's what you do when you have nothing to oppose in terms of content. Qed
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@Madhatter5566 Wow, you've actually managed to implement criticism! It's about time. Well done, keep it up!
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What you say about the 100k is partly not true. If you invest 100k from day 1, the potential profit of 7-9% is much higher than later. That's why credit is used to invest, like Lombard loans aka leverage, but it's not the same. Factors are: timing, amount of money, time and return. For most people, it is most difficult to do without the capital, so the savings rate is capped at e.g. €250-500. This means it takes even longer for many people to reach this sum of 25-215k and feel the effect at all. You have 100k, next year the S&P rises again +30%, due to the return sequence risk you lose 30k! In the 2nd year, these 30k plus and the original 100k are already working for the investor.
Note: Strictly speaking, the compound interest effect is minimally noticeable from 25k.
The magic 100k refers to a Buffet interview from around 1980. Adjusted for inflation, it would be around 215k today. 7% pa of 215k is 15k p.a. which 99% do not pay in here. (At 9% almost 20k p.a.) The effect is so strong that it doesn't matter what you pay in and you are set for the rest of your life.
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Many just want value and buy dividends. This is not entirely wrong per se if you buy the right stocks.

I don't think focusing on dividends is the right approach. But I wouldn't fundamentally demonize a stock for that reason. But higher dividends are evidence of lower growth. The company doesn't know what to do with the profits (or has to pay them out pro rata due to legislation).
I have Realty Income in my portfolio on a pro rata basis, as a small dividend pays out dopamine. But the position is also small enough that it is unlikely to have a significant impact on my portfolio performance.
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It's funny that I keep reading the same crap about dividend strategies in an unqualified generalization. Incidentally, you are in the best of company with "experts" such as Aktienmasseur.

I really don't understand why people who have 1 million stocks in their portfolio have a problem with dividend strategies and want to talk about homo oeconomicus - do you realize how contradictory that is?

Let me look at this from my point of view and I'll try to do something that these acrobats here somehow never do: to align the whole thing with examples, that would mean that they have thought about it themselves - but we just hear parrots.

Now let's assume the total amount is 120k, the payout is monthly for 1 euro/payout and the payout is 919.32/month. The growth is 2% over the next 10 years, (source https://www.finanzfluss.de/rechner/entnahmeplan/)

Let's take the example of Heinz. Based in Germany, saves ONE thesaurus ETF that costs 1 cent per share. As a side assumption, let's say that he is already making full use of his saver's allowance elsewhere. His withdrawal amount would be net 918.32 (one cent per share because I'm lazy).

Absolutely exemplary, the strategy and implementation harmonize perfectly. I really can't complain!

Now the dear forum members: I'm assuming the same financial data as above. However, they have 33 stocks and I am so bold as to go into the extrme and say that they have Berskhire A and Lindt, among others, and each individual stock in the portfolio accounts for exactly 3.33%. Prize question: what does the ideal payout plan look like and which share is now being de-risked and how? Berkshire cannot be de-saved monthly with 919.32 - fractions can only be de-saved in total (with the brokers I know). But the stupid thing now is that the portfolio is now unbalanced and theoretically a rebalance would have to happen. This means that each sale would now cost 34 euros (assuming that each trade costs 1 euro).

You could also start with a cheap share, but the portfolio would still be unbalanced and you cannot actually rebalance Berkshire. Another way would be to not rebalance, but that would unbalance the total return of the portfolio. As you can see, the whole thing is becoming very tedious and that's why, due to my laziness, I've only touched on the problem here and not really backed it up with figures.

It's funny that, of all people, those who have built a portfolio that is unsuitable for saving want to talk about dividend strategies and their usefulness.

Just to make it very clear:
- I am not criticizing a portfolio with 30+ stocks.
- I am criticizing people who do not have a rationally explainable portfolio but want to explain to me that my dividend stocks are supposedly irrational

But what I find most hilarious is when someone like that claims: "People with dividend stocks can't do math". Without ever having calculated an example and without knowing what the respective costs are. In my case, for example, I have absolutely the same costs for dividend and accumulation ETFs (assuming the same ETF as a basis). In other words, it makes ZERO financial difference to me which variant I choose.

PS: yes, I made a few particularly negative assumptions with the 30+ portfolio, a simplification with the 1 ETF portfolio. But I didn't want to go too far with the details, I think it was far enough
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You could be wrong. There are also kings that have increased their dividends for more than 50 years and performed better than many a growth... Sometimes there are such phases, sometimes others! 😅
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I did it, I read the text from beginning to end! 💪

Basically, I agree with you that there are many simplifications and misconceptions about equity investing that are rarely reflected as such. Two pointers for further thought:

1. you describe the phenomenon of misconceptions. But that doesn't explain it. Why do you think people believe that dividends are freemoney, etc.?

2. the misconceptions go much further and deeper, right into finance. Why do you think it is a mantra that the private investor should be satisfied with the 6%pa of Sparplan B&H WeltETF?
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Quote: "And no, they don't protect you in the event of a crash. 1% of a 50 euro share value is not the same as 1% of a 25 euro share value. Strange that you have to explain this to "educated people"." - The dividend itself does not protect against a crash, but it has a stabilizing effect on the share price. If Coca Cola falls by 50% tomorrow because of some general market crash like Corona, then you can buy the stock tomorrow with a 6.5% dividend yield if Coca Cola doesn't lower the dividend, which they haven't done in the last 60 years. With such yields, new buyers would quickly buy into the stock again, which would then drive the price up again. That is why such shares do not fall as low as the market in the event of a crash.
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Can it be equated to a company paying a 1% dividend or having 1% growth?
And if so, how can you prove this?
That would be the basic prerequisite for your assumption, wouldn't it?
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I partially agree with you. If I had to choose for a company I want to invest in if I want them to pay dividend or not, I'd say it is better if they don't pay dividend. This way for the same growth you compound more, as if you're going to reinvest your dividends you'll have paid taxes so the total invested is going to be less.

But when you're old, and you just want a monthly payment and forget a bit about the market, dividend strategy is nice, specially if your dividend payers are good companies. It depends on your needs and the atention you want to pay to the market. Usually, dividend payers are strong big companies, with a stable business, stable earnings and income, moderate growth...

In many countries, yo pay taxes depending on what you sell, so for instance if you do a non dividend strategy and were to sell everyhting you had in invested in your life and the profit is huge, you'd need to sell partially year by year to aboid excess tax paying, when with dividends you'll always be paying the minimnum (unless you have a really nice amount of money in the market with dividend payers) as you're already lowering the value of the price apreciation with the dividends.

About $O i think that it is not a good example to compare a stock with an index at an specific point... The stock value of $O went down hard this last years due to the high interest rates, and it is far from the performance it has had over the years. It should apreciate if the interests go down again. If you take this comparison to before 2020 you'd see that the return is almost the same, and if you go to other times the return of $O was better. You can't compare a specific moment like this, this is like if you take Meta 2 years ago when it went down from 320€ to 98€, and now is back up at almost 600€.
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So the post is just written out sometimes a bit strange to read but I prefer it to the next 08/15 ChatGPT text.

I partly agree with you, but a lot has already been written about it in the comments.
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Quite apart from the content and readability of the post. Man man man are you unpleasant in your answers.
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Rarely have I read such utter nonsense on dividends. You call out "hundreds of YouTube videos by mathematical dyslexics on this topic." but fail to understand dividends yourself and deliver a readable post on it. I would re-read your text and revalidate your findings, if I were you.
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Pretty bollocks you are writing there...are you dependent on the Getquin coins? Let's be honest...if you invest 1 million (better 1.5 million because of taxes) but VWL, let's leave out the taxes, and you get 5% dividends... 50 K a year...you don't need to work anymore. This is how dividends work, a quasi fixed income. Or why do you think all the Arab Emirates are invested in VW and others?
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You have not considered the most important point when comparing dividends and deinvestment. The dividend is the optimal value of the deinvestment, as only the company itself knows how much money it can distribute and how much it needs for investments.
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What are you talking about? Question for a friend🤓
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