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Global I.
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3Sem.·

Drone wall - the politicians' nonsense continues.

The aerial discussion about a "drone wall" continues today. There is no technology that can protect a 2500 km long border against swarms of UAVs approaching at several points simultaneously. And twice as much against electronically hardened UAVs, ballistic and cruise missiles.


The only option is to protect single, critical targets with short-range defense and destroy the enemy's ability to attack.


When the German parliament, in particular, understands that there is no other protection, the next wave of orders for Skyranger air defense and Mantis object protection will go out. $RHM (+1,88 %) go out. The cycle continues.

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Ichbinak63@Ichbinak63
3Sem.
Well, I don't think "nonsense" is appropriate for the seriousness of the situation. If nothing is done, it's only a matter of time before people start moaning again. Everything that helps against Vladolf Putler must be allowed to be discussed. Incidentally, he cannot protect his border comprehensively either.
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All-in-or-nothing@All-in-or-nothing
3Sem.
@Ichbinak63 then arming for an attack would be the better defense from your point of view?🤔
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Chris@Helli
3Sem.
@All-in-or-nothing It always is. It's not for nothing that the saying goes: "If you want peace, you have to be ready for war". I would also prefer a peaceful world ... but it obviously doesn't help :-(. Mankind is still made up of primates, just usually in nicer suits (no offense to primates).
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Ichbinak63@Ichbinak63
3Sem.
That is obviously just the language that despots speak. There's nothing wrong with rearming, the Western countries will be able to indulge in that luxury. It was the same in the 80s and there was peace for decades. Kumbaja my lord and white free doves are obviously not helping at the moment.
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Ichbinak63@Ichbinak63
3Sem.
NATO will at most react, the aggressive part will be taken by the testosterone maniacs, driven by persecution mania Kremelbestzer. 200 years of potatoes have produced nothing really worthy of the future 😉 A little joke on the side
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Staatsmann@Staatsmann
3Sem.
Possibly ignorance on my part:
But wouldn't a system along the lines of Israel's Iron Dome be possible here?
As far as I have heard, this system is not perfect, but it is cheaper to maintain and easier to service.
Or can the Iron Dome not defend against drones, but only cruise missiles like rockets?

In other words, periodically erected defense stations to defend against missiles, instead of ordering hundreds of Mantis now and somehow stationing them on the border?
(Something which, apart from the costs and maintenance, would probably be a project of the century for NATO anyway?)

2500km border vs. 20km range per MANTIS.
Would still be 125 without overlapping fire circles, as well as using the maximum and non-effective range.
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Chris@Helli
3Sem.
@Staatsmann MANTIS is no good as a border security system because it is stationary. Skyranger, on the other hand, is mobile. It is assumed that an Iron Dome missile costs around 40,000 - 50,000 $. The Skyranger fragmentation ammunition costs approx. 400-600 € per shot. With modern sensor technology ( $HAG ), you don't actually need many shots per drone. So it comes down to drones and Skyranger / comparable systems ( $RHM ). I'm betting on $HAG for stocks ... no matter which manufacturer or system will come in mass, it needs sensors.
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Global I.@gloinvest
3Sem.
@Staatsmann Your mistake is the idea of "protecting the border". It cannot be protected.
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Staatsmann@Staatsmann
3Sem.
@gloinvest We politicians will not be able to get away from the ideal of protecting and "sealing off" a border in this way at the moment, hence my question about the logic behind this lockdown idea.
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Cekay@CMustermann
3Sem.
@gloinvest The border can be protected by signaling political deterrence. The Turks shot down the Russian jet after 17 seconds of airspace violation. If we were finally to consistently defend our home countries instead of sucking our thumbs, the Russians would no longer dare to do so.

Take all drones out of the sky immediately, without exception. Trace the flight routes and immediately impose sanctions if Russian origin is identified. Remove Russian jets from the sky immediately and without warning if they violate airspace. Sink Russian spy ships in our waters.

In its current state, the Russians can't even get past Ukraine. All it has left is a salami slicing tactic with ever escalating provocation. The only thing that can help is a hard edge, these people only speak the language of violence.
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Global I.@gloinvest
3Sem.
@CMustermann I agree - but it is not politically feasible with this population. The first impact would first have to flatten the city church of Münster.
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Tenbagger2024@Tenbagger2024
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Chris@Helli
3Sem.
@Tenbagger2024 The Iron Laser could also be something ( $ESLT ), if it really is that efficient / effective. But it will probably be overwhelmed by swarms of drones. Microwave weapons would be more effective.
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Tenbagger2024@Tenbagger2024
3Sem.
@Helli
I also don't see Elbit as being as expensive as other companies that often only specialize in drones/defense.
Elbit is very broadly positioned, which I see as an advantage.
Perhaps peace in Gaza could make the share a little cheaper.
Maybe then it would be worthwhile to get in
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Tenbagger2024@Tenbagger2024
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Chris@Helli
3Sem.
@Tenbagger2024 As I said, I'm not quite so sure about lasers. They are expensive, complicated to manufacture, require a lot of power and therefore large / heavy vehicles / generators, a lot of fuel, are therefore not so easy to deploy and can only hit a target with pinpoint accuracy. Put simply, if you shield a part (the front) of the drone, you could even protect yourself against it. With fragmentation ammunition, this is a quick number... and you can hit many targets almost simultaneously.
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