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Moin,


in this post I would like to address more the younger "investors and speculators".


Who am I?

A 20 year old boy from a middle class family, whose family had absolutely nothing to do with investing.


In fact, I have successfully completed my high school diploma and am now studying computer science.



Why am I writing this?

So that one or the other can learn from my mistakes....



My story in terms of finances:


- Beginning of the 18th century:

I heard again and again, especially online, how people very simply increased their money or also protected against inflation very simple.


The whole thing seemed very simple to me, the idea behind ETFs I understood in principle as a kind of lending his money so that you get back at some point very likely more.

When this sometime is, one did not know of course, possibly after 5, 10, 20 years. Maybe even later?

Surely the return of about 7% per year always seemed to me.....until I realized that this is not so.

it is not for nothing only an average which was possibly calculated over decades.


I slowly but surely realized that I could not earn "much" money with ETFs before retirement.


Thus I jumped over to shares,

then to derivatives,

then to the big cryptocurrencies,

climbed me further purely in shitcoins that have actually partly 200-300x earned so 200,000-300,000%.

that was of course not enough for me and I started to leverage shitcoins, like for example. $SHIB (-0,05 %) and lost say and write ~8,000€ in one trade.


Now I trade "professionally" for a "prop company" which basically gives you money for trading.

I would actually not yet call myself profitable, but a good student of his interests.


My mistakes:

Mistake #1: You don't become rich overnight.


Mistake #2: You should enjoy your life and not save 120%, even if you dream of retiring at 30. Personally, I would rather retire a few years later but live a happy and beautiful life.


Mistake No.3: This is a mistake that many will probably not consider a mistake.

Investing does not make a middle class person rich. Investing makes rich people wealthy.


Rich as such, everyone can define for himself.


Accordingly, I would recommend especially the younger people take risks and try to create an income. Something with which you can earn "a lot" of money and slowly but surely build up a portfolio.


Mistake No.4:

The MOST IMPORTANT investment is the investment in yourself.

Especially young people including me think that everything in life is easy. For example, many including
me at that time, think that simple knowledge about the stock market is the way to get rich.

NO that is not true.

Everyone must have a skill set to work his way up in life. Accordingly, an investment of 50 € bspw. monthly would be pointless in my eyes in shares. Invest actually rather in yourselves, go bspw on vacation, try your luck with on and sales etc etc.

Try to use as many chances to learn as possible. We are still young and mistakes are often forgiven.

Maybe write emails to bigger companies for 1-2 weeks internships to see how certain companies are roughly managed, preferably small companies with max 20 employees, so you can look over the shoulders everywhere.

Also USE the internet makes sense you can really teach yourself a lot, but that requires a lot of discipline.

Buy books and possibly other courses.

Acquire as much general knowledge as possible.

Whether it is tax advantages in certain corporate structures or basic Excel knowledge, that all sets you apart from the others and lets you offer an added value to other people, whereby one will automatically earn more money.

The problem is 99% no one else but you.

And never give up, you don't HAVE to be rich at 20/30/40.

Money is just a means to an end.



Would you be interested in principle, that I tell everything individually, what I did how detailed? Or rather not?








PS.: Have a spelling weakness, work on it but please do not take evil.

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Great now I know. Thank you for your life experience. At that age, after 2 years on the stock market, you can already call it that, can't you?
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@JKTaurus Thanks for your irony..... I don't want to encourage anyone to do anything or anything like that, that's why I explicitly addressed my experience to younger people, because many think that you get rich overnight. Also vllt another tip for you: There are many young people who run whole companies with 2-5years experience under which then people with maybe 40years experience work. Life is not just a linear increase in experience, some get it sooner some later...some not at all. I do not know how far you are familiar with all that I have listed..... Not for nothing they say: "The proof of the pudding is in the eating".
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@TheRealDeepFuckingValue Unfortunately, I'm not that smart. That's why I'm not familiar with your topics. I'm probably someone who never experiences. Thanks for the tip about young people running entire companies. Because of the extremely good tip, I am now also running a whole company with people who have over 40 years of experience. I have become rich overnight, so to speak. I would like to send you your share - do you have an IBAN for me? Oh, you're right of course, people always say that the proof of the pudding is in the eating, but people also say "fingers in the butt México" so I guess it's just as valid.
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@JKTaurus understand jz absolutely not what you want to get at. I try most of what I've experienced so far to look at as positive and say clearly that you should not invest with little money in shares shitcoins etc. but rather in themselves. You, however, seem to take everything negatively..... Well some people just can not help it. I hope for you aufjedenfall the best in your financial life and hopefully you do not have to pay "much" lesson money. I am a person who had in numbers over 30,000€ out of the markets and had also lost again over 24,000€. Most of it from my own efforts and a starting capital of about 400€. If you don't value this experience, I really can't help you...
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ETF is not enough, stocks, derivatives, crypto, shitcoin, shitcoin leverage and prop trading firm... it just keeps getting worse and worse.
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@Osiriz Joa goes nh....meine intention from the beginning was to get in a relatively short time "much" money from the markets. Therefore, it was just increasingly risky. Prop trading companies are eig rather risk minimizing, as soon as you can of course Traden. PS: only 8% really manage to pass the entrance exams, so you have to have a plan how the whole thing goes otherwise it will be nothing. Also, there is a difference between investing money and actively "earn money" on the stock market.
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I also find the abbreviation "...Real...Value" really ingenious. In your portfolio and on the basis of the strategy described by you seems to me rather "NoRealDeepFuckingValue" appropriate. And also your post 3 months ago, you would have burned your entire invested sum on FTX. So somehow I'm missing the red thread in your story, sorry.
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@CopLui my portfolio is actually still from a challenge from @gaylord which we had started back in early 2022, so no real money at the moment i have no money invested anywhere as i am investing all the money in "education" and more capital from prop companies for trading
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"You do not get rich overnight" but then sell etfs because they bring too little return
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@Ardo You are absolutely right, however, I wanted to mean that with a lot of time and energy you can also become "rich" earlier than at pension time. For this, you would need a skillset that sets you apart from others. That's why I also meant that you'd rather invest the 50€ in yourself than in any ETF. Of course, if you already earn a certain amount monthly, ETFs etc. make extremely much sense.
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@TheRealDeepFuckingValue Ahso but invest 50€ in schitcoins makes more sense ?
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@Ardo Investing 50€ in a book where you learn to filter decent information from a text and can then also use it makes sense.
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Thanks for the tips and experiences, I'm in a similar situation, 19 and a computer science student. Also gone through everything.
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@Stewie Poah...that is iwi cool 😂
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After post I know why Ufo361 always says: "you know" because now it's the case. Didn't you used to have a real lot of CS boxes? They have risen well 👀
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@KapriolenCapital yes indeed, almost 5k+ had after the fees 😂
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@TheRealDeepFuckingValue You living legend
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Great post and very good views and goals for your age 👏🏼 @ccf
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@mariechristines Thank you 🥳
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After 25 years, it sweeps out most professional investors in one way or another. Calmly, with thought and low risk, you get to the goal, otherwise it takes a lot of luck, especially in something like trading. Nevertheless, thank you for your contribution, it is empirical values that also need to be shared. 😃
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@Gerit yes you are absolutely right, i also don't really think i would do trading forever. I just see it as a bridge where you earn pretty well for what you learn etc. My goal is to build up something more conservative, for example a cleaning company or the like. For the beginning. However, I would like to approach the whole thing professionally and would therefore need a certain amount of money. Thus, I see trading as a chance to build up a relatively fair fortune in addition to my studies to then continue to work with it.
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Kind of scary how many computer scientists are on cryptos or have burned on shitcoins
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@Siytta actually yes, but the technology, as well as the monetary attracts already very much. just had with 19 the best time of my life, with vacations without end after graduation. the money came just from the Shitcoins 🫠
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@TheRealDeepFuckingValue I had never really thought much of cryptos simply because I could never see the added value and also very many "ideas" behind individual cryptocurrencies was/is rather hot air. I was particularly put off by the fake LinkedIn profiles that were supposed to represent the alleged CEOs or employees of individual cryptocurrencies - that's why I was somewhat "spared" from them. Nevertheless, I had participated in a few hypes such as Safemoon 😂 Really successful, at least from my circle of acquaintances, the fewest came from it. Even one of my friends, who was a "crypto" millionaire for a short time, didn't take much more than his starting capital back with him due to his greed.
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@Siytta yes you are absolutely right, 99.9% was scam anyway. You had to be very careful. I could "afford" to lose it all again, but I also know many who are now in debt because of it. 🫠
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@Siytta by the way are also ITler, already cool somehow 😅
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P.s.: I didn't notice your spelling weakness. 😊
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@Gerit thanks, glad it was legible. 🥳
In principle, I think it's good to point out mistakes to young people.... but the way this is happening is at least questionable.
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