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If taxes are robbery, who pays for school for children born poor?
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@Epi or cycle paths somewhere in Africa that nobody uses.
Just kidding, I know what you mean. But I think taxes on capital gains are so stupid.
We invest our money with our taxed income, take a risk with our taxed money, the risk pays off for us, we realize capital gains that we have made with our taxed money and have to pay tax on these gains.
The state has contributed nothing, but earns a quarter of the profits.
As for that...
Yep, a complete robbery.
Just kidding, I know what you mean. But I think taxes on capital gains are so stupid.
We invest our money with our taxed income, take a risk with our taxed money, the risk pays off for us, we realize capital gains that we have made with our taxed money and have to pay tax on these gains.
The state has contributed nothing, but earns a quarter of the profits.
As for that...
Yep, a complete robbery.
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@der_Don You didn't contribute to the fact that you were allowed to go to school and maybe even study for free. Over 18, 20 or 25 years, you've built up a gigantic negative balance that you're still a long way from paying off, if you manage to do so at all.
So take it easy and stop this technically untenable nonsense.
How a government spends money is a completely different issue.
So take it easy and stop this technically untenable nonsense.
How a government spends money is a completely different issue.
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•@FairValue You're right. After the state has taken a third of my salary and about half of my father's for 30 years (because he's a top earner), I'll naturally open my legs and let the state take another quarter of all my interest, dividends and capital gains with a clear conscience. As a thank you? 1000€ that is tax-free for me every year. Thank you 🙏
My bachelor's degree also cost me €40,000. That's not free.
My bachelor's degree also cost me €40,000. That's not free.
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@der_Don and you can pay tax on your pension again at the end. Germany is so screwed...
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•@Bezehgombjuderstimme if I get one at all. And if not, I have to take care of it myself and make private provisions. But then everything has to be taxed again. Of course, there are tax advantages with riestern etc. but let's not kid ourselves. That's not the yellow of the egg either.
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@der_Don the cycle paths were in Peru, if I remember correctly, and that certainly shouldn't be in Africa.
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•@Dividenden-Sammler sorry. In Peru then
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@Bezehgombjuderstimme Pension contributions are made from gross income, i.e. they are not taxed and are therefore taxed downstream.
For those who have made net payments, there are relief contributions.
And you only pay tax if you are above the income threshold, as is the case for all incomes.
For those who have made net payments, there are relief contributions.
And you only pay tax if you are above the income threshold, as is the case for all incomes.
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•@FairValue What's more, most citizens are probably net recipients of taxes and not net payers.
https://www.iwkoeln.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/martin-beznoska-wer-zahlt-wer-empfaengt.html
In mathematical terms, a citizen from birth to the age of 25 is a cost center that costs far more than it generates.
https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/sozialstaat-interaktive-grafik-so-viel-zahlt-jeder-in-seinem-leben-an-steuern-und-abgaben-undso-viel-bekommt-jeder-heraus/28060382.html
In working life from 25 to 55, you pay in more again and mathematically become a net contributor and from 56 the ratio is reversed again.
https://www.iwkoeln.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/martin-beznoska-wer-zahlt-wer-empfaengt.html
In mathematical terms, a citizen from birth to the age of 25 is a cost center that costs far more than it generates.
https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/sozialstaat-interaktive-grafik-so-viel-zahlt-jeder-in-seinem-leben-an-steuern-und-abgaben-undso-viel-bekommt-jeder-heraus/28060382.html
In working life from 25 to 55, you pay in more again and mathematically become a net contributor and from 56 the ratio is reversed again.
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And if you inherit assets that have already been taxed twice, they are taxed a third time. That's kind of blatant.
On the other hand, I think it's okay if people who only have their money working for them also have to contribute something.
And losses can also be claimed. So the state actually also bears the investment risk through any lost taxes or even taxes that have to be paid back. Or am I seeing this completely wrong 😬?
On the other hand, I think it's okay if people who only have their money working for them also have to contribute something.
And losses can also be claimed. So the state actually also bears the investment risk through any lost taxes or even taxes that have to be paid back. Or am I seeing this completely wrong 😬?
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