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Everything to 0 - all over again

Hello dear Quinies,


in addition to all the posts about blatant investment successes / failures, ambitious goals, ingenious strategies and diamond hands, I would like to write a personal post on a topic that, in my opinion, has not been placed here very often:


What happens when personal circumstances change to such an extent that all decisions up to that point become virtually null and void?


TL;DR: Get up, straighten your crown, carry on.


Longer story:


Briefly about me. I'm in my mid-30s, live in the suburbs of Berlin and work in IT for a large corporation. I started investing in September 2022 and have already written a post about it here, in which I explained my strategy etc.


Well, this old post is a good starting point for this one, because about a year ago, many of the premises and goals were turned upside down relatively suddenly because my relationship and marriage ended after just over 17 years. It was a major turning point that also pushed me to the absolute limit mentally.


As part of the separation, of course, liquid assets were also divided up, which meant a complete sale of shares and ETF units. Before anyone asks: It was a joint custody account and according to ING, a transfer from a joint custody account to an individual custody account is not possible. Due to the relatively small amounts invested (< EUR 10 k), the tax issue was negligible. Nevertheless, it was more or less a reset to 0. No more units / shares, the old goals for which I had invested had become worthless and the future was uncertain.


3 months after the separation, in September 2024, I had my first ETF savings plan executed in a new custody account. Initially it remained with the ETF and some crypto, but in the meantime some individual shares have also been added.


Today, almost exactly a year later, my life is basically back in order and I am currently investing without any direct goal, except to make provisions for old age and generally optimize returns. Of course, there should be more strategy again at some point, but for now that's enough motivation for me. My portfolio is now worth more than ever before and I'm still really enjoying the topic in general.


So what is the purpose of this post?

I would like to wish all investors here, young and old, who have ambitious goals and long-term plans, all the best and still show that life sometimes turns out differently than we had imagined in our strategy. Between all the cheering posts about achieved goals, I would like to make it clear that sometimes factors that have nothing to do with investing force you to start again and start all over again.


And I would like to tell everyone who finds themselves in such a situation that they can move on and that, based on the experience they have already gained, they can usually get back to the previous point more quickly than before.


With this in mind, cheers to new beginnings. Because there is magic in every beginning.

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And your experience is further confirmation for me to continue to keep money as separate as possible outside of the joint fixed costs, even in a partnership and even further in a marriage.

Not because I don't believe in the partnership in the first place, but because I want to make sure that things get as messy as possible for me and my partner in the event of a separation.
Because even if I don't believe today that we will separate in the near future, it may well look different in 10 years' time.

Good luck and success for the new start!
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@Metis But in a marriage you have to make a contract beforehand. Otherwise you can keep it separate however you want - in the event of a divorce, the statutory equalization of gains is not interested in whether it was separate in the marriage ;-)
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@Zackdela79 I am fully aware of this, my first reminder of separate finances is my own parents, who divorced when I was already an adult and where things became really modest financially for my father.
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@Metis absolutely right we also have the three account model, so there are no discussions about personal expenses for the time being. When we bought the apartment, I secured the equity we used via the land register distribution (60% for me, 40% for her). We don't have a prenuptial agreement.
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@Brazzo_Muc It's a good thing you were so smart when you bought your apartment.

Unfortunately, my father wasn't as attentive.
Both names were in it, only he paid, including the renovation, and he then had to pay my mother for her share (50%) of the house, even though she hadn't contributed a cent to the purchase.
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@Metis that's really bitter 🙈
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For every closed door, a new one opens. It's always like that. 👍

After the successful financial reset, I can only wish you a successful emotional rest!

And then it goes on, on and on... Until it doesn't work anymore. But you should make the most of the time until then. 😁
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@Epi You wrote that very nicely. Thank you for the kind words :-)
Therefore only with a marriage contract
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@bullish999 basically agree with you, but he writes that it was money invested together.
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@bullish999 Yes and no, that didn't make sense for us, as we came together very young and earned virtually everything together. So 50:50 is simply the fairest way.
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Thanks for sharing your story!
I went through something similar, same age. (Fortunately, we didn't have to close the account because we kept separate accounts), but I can still understand your ordeal after the separation very well.
Wish you all the best for the future, always look ahead!
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@M8x1mus Thanks for the kind words. Things are progressing :-)
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Regardless of the numbers...

The free fall and the emptiness is what makes you grow.
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@Mark777 "Free fall" in the sense of parachuting, skydiving?
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This refers to the fall into the psychological hole.
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@Mark777 if you manage to get up again after the free fall...
Thanks for the impressions. Good luck on your future journey 💪
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Thanks for your story, let's keep going! 🍀
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Only the best - stay strong brother!

For someone who currently doesn't know whether they want to get married or not.... (especially because the woman usually "puts the pressure on"), a post that makes you think again...
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@Tobiwankenobi500 So thanks for now :-)
The post should definitely not be an argument against marriage.
It can be the right way if both want it.

Life happens and you always have to get up again - that should be the core message.
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Well, it's a very difficult topic I'm experiencing the contrast myself because we've actually built everything up from scratch with my wife or with my partner and we're only just entering this region so it's actually I mean my portfolio doesn't reflect that by a long way but we also have other investments and so on We're actually just entering the golden age and I think yes your experience is to be respected because ultimately 17 years I don't know what the reasons were that you went there but I'm sure you could have done this whole thing a lot differently. into the golden times and I think yes your experience is to be respected because in the end 17 years I don't know what reasons you had that it went there but I'm sure you could have solved this whole thing much much differently instead of splitting the assets like this and the positions or the stocks or what I know what and what the ING tells me could have been solved differently by just sitting down and maybe exchanging ideas and having a clear conversation with each other, an association without a lawyer without a third party and saying and then listen this is so and so So I would completely lose everything I don't know if you have children or so now are certainly another solution except that third parties benefit from it, like banks or something, that they then have to split up or sell ETFs or shares or something, but thanks anyway for your experience, so unfortunately I don't share it at all and I think it's cool that you share it and um, yes, I wish you all the best, keep your head up
@Amdagli,,,,,,,,......... <- please apply correctly yourself
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@Dividendenkobolt What are you talking about? You. You mean the procedure?

His story is just hard to hard comment should be ne help position or point out to others because of
@Amdagli everything relaxed. A little joke made
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@Amdagli You wrote half a novel without punctuation, that's what he meant.
It's quite exhausting to read it like that and to follow your statements correctly.
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I wish you all the best for the future.
I myself have the clear goal of having something for retirement in my early 50s. I'm not pursuing a very clear strategy either. I just want to leave 30% in fairly "safe" ETFs and add a little crypto. The rest in individual shares.
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It's never too late man

And good luck for your future investments

An honest advice I heard from a wise man once

"Always protect your assets from 2 Government and Partner"
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