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Marco
@Marco_91
2Sem.·

❌ Why investing in companies like Altria is ethically unacceptable

$MO (+0,18 %)


Altria is one of the largest tobacco companies in the world - and is emblematic of an industry whose business model is based on addiction, disease and environmental destruction.


Investing in companies like Altria supports a business model based on addiction, disease and environmental destruction. It is high time that ethical criteria were given more weight in the financial world. Capital should not flow where it causes harm - but where it shapes the future.

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S.A.U.@SAUgut77
2Sem.
It's best to sell all your shares and buy yourself a cute little farm 🫠
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Marco@Marco_91
2Sem.
@SAUgut77 Please do not ridicule this topic.
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S.A.U.@SAUgut77
2Sem.
@Marco_91 ridiculous...I was completely serious 🤫😇
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BartS@Weissach
2Sem.
@Marco_91 my goodness always these moral apostles
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D.S.@Propheteus
2Sem.
@SAUgut77 It's Sunday again.....🙄🙈 The moralizers are speaking out 😂😂😂 The only thing missing are the crash 💥 prophets.
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BartS@Weissach
2Sem.
@Cato_Bamboo 😂😂👍
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S.A.U.@SAUgut77
2Sem.
@Cato_Bamboo Crash Prophet...the bloody part is probably more your thing 🤫🤣
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D.S.@Propheteus
2Sem.
@SAUgut77 Yes, that's true, but today is such a beautiful sunny morning that I don't want to think about Monday and the coming bloodbath yet.....🙈
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Cai-pirinha@Cai-pirinha
2Sem.
@Cato_Bamboo Where are the cash prophets when you need them?
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Dan C.@wealth_builder_94
2Sem.
@SAUgut77 if you look hard enough most companies are morally unethical, mcdonalds makes a living from supplying unhealthy food, knowing so that their food contributes to obesity. Energy drink suppliers knowing male products that are linked to cancer and kidney problems. Johnson and johnson have had ingredients in their products that they knew caused cancer and only changed this because they were found out. The list can go for ages. Also please don't take offence as I have trouble communicating due to autism/ADHD so I come across as aggressive.

Altria however yes are morally questionable, have changed their business model and are focusing on research, non smoke tobacco products and reducing the damage they have caused. Logically speaking just invest in good companies which are sustainable and either offer good growth, stability and/or dividend payments
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Konstantin@Konstantin85
2Sem.
@SAUgut77 No tobacco but McDonalds in the depot 💀💀💀💀💀
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Zerax@Zerax
2Sem.
Funny. You have $MCD in your depot and call Altria and Bats unethical. Factory farming, catastrophic hygiene conditions in the factories, secondary diseases caused by the extremely unhealthy ingredients in burgers and co. are morally okay for you?
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Demas@Demas
2Sem.
@Zerax MCD is indeed an evil company haha
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BartS@Weissach
2Sem.
@Zerax gut gekontert 👍
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Schrauber1113@GordenShanway
2Sem.
@Zerax quickly blocked access to the depot 😂 can no longer be viewed
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Zerax@Zerax
2Sem.
@GordenShanway Well then...that says a lot.😄
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Erzwo@FYBSTRD
2Sem.
@Zerax And he also has the "rogue currency" BTC at the start
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Siytta@Siytta
2Sem.
@GordenShanway Oh man, what a laughing stock @Marco_91
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Dividendenopi👴@Dividendenopi
2Sem.
It's okay if you have your convictions about investments and act accordingly, preferably consistently. I am happy to accept that and respect the respective attitude. What I can't accept is this totalitarian moral obsession and placing one's own convictions above everything else in a missionary way. I am perfectly capable of thinking and acting independently and am open to any discussion, but your thesis is unfortunately not a basis for this
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BeachPlease@BeachPlease
2Sem.
@Dividendenopi Just like that, always those damn moralizers and do-gooders!
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Pawfolio@Pawfolio
2Sem.
@BeachPlease What is a do-gooder?
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Dividendenopi👴@Dividendenopi
2Sem.
A person who behaves in a way that is perceived as uncritical, exaggerated, annoying or similar in the sense of political correctness, who advocates political correctness and usually naively believes in the good....🤷‍♂️
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Tom@Laeuft
2Sem.
@Pawfolio You can't do anything right with people like that
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Kill_Baulitz@Johann_van_der_Smut
2Sem.
@Dividendenopi well said!
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Sahnehäubchen 🦋.@Savvy_investor_2000
2Sem.
You can invest ethically without portraying others as immoral.
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Sahnehäubchen 🦋.@Savvy_investor_2000
2Sem.
@Savvy_investor_2000
Ethics are always more effective by example than by reproach.
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Sahnehäubchen 🦋.@Savvy_investor_2000
2Sem.
@Savvy_investor_2000
I see your ethical claim and don't find it unsympathetic. I just believe that ethics lose their effect when they become the standard for others.
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Sahnehäubchen 🦋.@Savvy_investor_2000
2Sem.
@Savvy_investor_2000
... then something like a power imbalance arises. Attitude then quickly becomes evaluation and orientation becomes judgment. Ethics is then no longer perceived as an invitation, but as an attack and I think that is precisely one of the main causes of the political division that we are currently seeing everywhere.
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MTownHotline@MTownHotline
2Sem.
Don't talk about ethics if you don't understand it. And by the way, you have etf's in your portfolio that contain tobacco companies. So you yourself are investing in what you are trying to denounce. Preach water and drink wine. That's our favorite thing to see
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Tom@Laeuft
2Sem.
You've already written the same text about BAT. Please try the moralizer on Instagram. You'll get more attention there.
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Ronny B.@Ronny03
2Sem.
Green double standards😂
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GBau@GBau1906
2Sem.
To name a single company is far too short-sighted. Apart from the general consumption of resources (does tobacco, for example, require more water or land than barley or maize? ), everyone is responsible for their own tobacco consumption. It is simply called personal responsibility. The companies producing weapons systems, etc., which are currently doing very well, should be mentioned. Here, everyone has to ask themselves whether profit can take precedence over conscience, as weapons are not only harmful to oneself. That would perhaps be called morality.
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Demas@Demas
2Sem.
@GBau1906 Okay, let's turn it around. If the Russian market reopened, would you invest? Or would you have a moral compass?
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GBau@GBau1906
2Sem.
@Demas In Russia? No. Surely I wouldn't invest with Putin leading the country.

What about Youself?
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Demas@Demas
2Sem.
@GBau1906 I also wouldn’t invest in it. 👍 where do you draw the line with investing? I am very mindful when I invest my money. I agree with your post that everyone is responsible for their own tobacco consumption, but where do we want to world to go? I think that is a very important question . I don’t invest directly for example in tobacco or gas companies because I don’t like them, yes I maybe own some ETFs with some companies in it, but I do keep attention to it
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GBau@GBau1906
2Sem.
@Demas So do I. At least I try to act this way. It's good being not all alone.
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Basti92@BavarianLion
2Sem.
I'm not invested in tobacco companies, but I am heavily invested in the arms industry 😂😂 $LMT $RTX 😝
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MarTheRadi@marda304
2Sem.
@BavarianLion Ethics 2025 says it fits! 👍
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Thoranos@Thoranos
2Sem.
@marda304 But only as long as the rainbow flag is flying 🤭
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Kill_Baulitz@Johann_van_der_Smut
2Sem.
@marda304 Sure, it's about defense... 😉
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GeldGenie@GeldGenie
2Sem.
But a portfolio without an ESG ETF and $MCD in the portfolio.

The fact that the tobacco industry provides income, generates taxes and has other positive ripple effects is ignored.

The consumer/market has it in their own hands - nobody is forced to smoke and vape 🤷‍♂️
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Pawfolio@Pawfolio
2Sem.
That probably backfired 😂
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Gernhard@Gernhard_Reinholzen
2Sem.
HSBC helps with money laundering, terrorist financing and supports drug trafficking. You have an HSBC product in your portfolio. How does that fit together?
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Tobias@Tobs_66
2Sem.
What do you want to achieve with your post? 😄 After all, everyone has their own money and is free to decide which companies they want to invest in. Posts like this really have no place here to trigger ethical debates about companies.
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Hendan@Hendan
2Sem.
As long as we embrace the activity of investing and capitalism we must also accept its flaws. I also acknowledge that some sectors may be unethical to invest in but I do because ultimately if we're on this platform our goal is financial independence, not changing the world
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aang@aang
2Sem.
I saw that you are invested in $BTC. Have a look at the following video:

https://youtu.be/m7_WDzPyoqU?si=iDecL-dpscluuMsC


- Incredible water consumption
- Massive electricity costs
- Health problems for residents living near Bitcoin farms

Anyone who invests in $BTC is supporting a technology or value chain that makes heavy use of natural resources and harms people and animals locally. Capital should not flow to where it causes harm, right?
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risk_taker_2194@risk_taker_2194
2Sem.
On the stock market, I'm not interested in the concerns you mentioned.
I want returns.
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Demas@Demas
2Sem.
@risk_taker_2194 that is why you are a greedy person. Dont you have manners?
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Sparfuchs@Der_Sparfuchs
2Sem.
Don't talk about manners if you don't have any yourself. Ridiculous.
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Ross S.@Latzi
2Sem.
I sell all my BAT but keep Altria in my portfolio. And because the bisness is no healty I have a few healtcare company. That is. We buy and sell to make a profit. All the world go to make a money.
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Allan@Allan-
2Sem.
@Cato_Bamboo regarding crash prophets, just wanted to mention that novo will really bleed tomorrow, best to sell first thing in the morning
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D.S.@Propheteus
2Sem.
@Allan- Why, did something happen? Perhaps it would be better to liquidate the entire portfolio directly?
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Tom@Laeuft
2Sem.
@Allan- In which crystal ball is that written 🤣
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Matthias@ZaphodB
2Sem.
The basic idea is not even wrong. But..... what am I doing now? I even have drone stocks and two defense ETFs. Don't misunderstand.... sustainability considerations for shares are by no means wrong. But....as the saying goes...: "Petunia" non olet. ok.
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Dividendenopi👴@Dividendenopi
1Sem.
@ZaphodB Petunias smell good, but tend to have an unpleasant odor when waterlogged and with root rot 😉. And as the owner of the great Latinum, I must be a smartass, because the correct saying is: pecunia non olet. Money does not stink. Thank you for your attention 😇
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Matthias@ZaphodB
1Sem.
@Dividendenopi the same goes for irony...you didn't understand the quotation marks, did you? Never mind...I wish you lots of pecunia..😎
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Dividendenopi👴@Dividendenopi
1Sem.
@ZaphodB 😂 I actually generously blanked out the "" 😇🤷‍♂️
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Matthias@ZaphodB
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@Dividendenopi You are forgiven for that...😁
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felipe estupendo@felipeestupendo
2Sem.
A farm in Chile!
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Marty0292@Marty0292
1Sem.
My heart laughs every time the Altria and BAT dividends land in the clearing account 🤑
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Tom@Laeuft
1Sem.
@Marty0292 Yeah🍻😁
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Demas@Demas
2Sem.
AGREE!
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stocker_1862@stocker_1862
2Sem.
I have lost my idealism and invest in what I expect to make a profit from. After I despaired of people's attitudes. I'm so old that it hardly affects me anymore. Those who are affected don't care. So neither BP Rheinmetall, Rwe or Deutsche Bank are excluded. I wouldn't have bought Chinese etf in the past either
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Allan@Allan-
2Sem.
@Cato_Bamboo nothing happened 😄 but with novo you're never sure
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Rene@Snakeinvest
2Sem.
Probably invested in Rheinmetall himself :D
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Stephan K.@StrahlemannLP
2Sem.
Well, the capital market is highly individual, everyone can invest in what they find best for their event horizon.
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Thoranos@Thoranos
2Sem.
Then you could end up not investing in any company. Stay invested in $MO and $BATS and make a good living.
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Andreas@Andi_Ham
2Sem.
Sustainable is all well and good... immoral shares for the war and weapons industry are not a decent investment either. But in the end, we all want or maybe even need to make a few extra plusses. Now back to reality, all of us small investors are the retailers for the big players in the market and in the end they determine what happens. The market is not interested in who makes Plusis or who provides the exit liquidity for others. I learned a long time ago that nobody takes me into consideration. So you take what the market provides.
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Erzwo@FYBSTRD
2Sem.
For the reason all in Rheinmetall, for peace
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user83184f57cf7c4320@user83184f57cf7c4320
2Sem.
Keep investing in Sberbank, that shows your double standards
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