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ETF with 5-10% dividend... per month?!

What sounds like a Ponzi scheme has actually been a reality for over a year.

The $MSTY has been paying out 5-10% dividends every month (sometimes even more) - and has been doing so since the start of 2024:

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But: What is the MSTY?

MSTY is an ETFthat is based on the share $MSTR (+5,21 %) based on the stock. You probably all know the story of Strategy and Saylor by now, but in a nutshell:

Strategy launches financial products such as convertible bonds and preference shares with different terms and thereby buys as much as possible. $BTC (-0,23 %) as possible.

In the meantime (as of now) they hold a whopping 597,325 Bitcoin.

This strategy has not only meant that the Strategy share has outperformed everything since the start of the strategy, but the share is also incredibly volatile.


And what exactly does this have to do with the MSTY?

This is an ETF from yieldmaxetfs, which has set itself the task of generating high monthly distributions for investors.

And they achieve this with a so-called covered call strategy.


The strategy is essentially as follows:


(1) Mapping of the strategy price development

The fund initially ensures that it mirrors Strategy's share price performance (synthetically or through corresponding positions). This allows investors to participate to a certain extent in changes in the MicroStrategy share price.


(2) Sell call options

At the same time, the fund sells (writes) call options on the Strategy share. A call option gives the buyer the right to buy the share at a fixed price until the end of a period. For this right, option buyers pay a premium to the fund.

The call options are always written on a weekly basis and the price is always between 0 and 15% higher than the current share price (on average a 7% premium on the current price).


Example: The share price is €100 per share. I issue an option on Monday to sell the share on Friday for €107 - regardless of the current share price. I charge a premium of €5 for selling this right.

If the share price rises above €107 by the end of the week, I still have to sell the share for €107. This means that I make a loss and the €5 premium that I have taken can only cushion part of the loss.

However, if the share price does not rise above €107, the option expires and I still receive the MSTR share + the €5 premium.


(3) Income from premiums

The option premiums mentioned are very high, as Strategy shares are extremely volatile and fluctuate strongly with the Bitcoin price. High volatility means that buyers are willing to pay high premiums for options. And these premiums represent the main income stream of the fund and are distributed to investors on a monthly basis. That's why MSTY can generate such dividend yields of 5-10% per month - it's essentially just the option fees collected from call sales.


Important to know: Even though MSTY is based on MSTR, the sale of call options forgoes a portion of the upside. If the MicroStrategy share price rises above the agreed option strike price, MSTY must pass this additional profit on to the option buyers. This means that participation in price gains is capped - the fund only retains gains up to a certain threshold (~7%), anything above this goes to the option buyer. This "capped participation in price gains" is the trade-off for the high premium income.


This means that if the MSTR share rises by 20% in a week, the MSTY rises by a maximum of 7%. However, if the MSTR share falls by 20%, the MSTY price also falls by approx. 20% -> and that is precisely the risk you are taking. The price growth is limited upwards on a weekly basis, but not really downwards.


Conclusion

In my opinion, the MSTY can be a great way to generate some additional cash flow. I am also toying with the idea of investing part of my assets (probably max. 5%) in it. But you shouldn't think that you can simply take a risk-free 5-10% return per month with you - of course that's not the case :D


PS: The MSTY is only tradable for professional investors in Germany. In the meantime, however, HanETF has launched a certificate that can be used to invest in the MSTY in Europe. It works a bit like typical ADR shares. You buy the certificate and HanETF invests the money directly in the MSTY - the dividends then go to HanETF, which pays out the money to the certificate holders.

https://hanetf.com/de/fund/msty-mstr-option-income-strategy/


Are any of you already invested in the MSTY or were you already familiar with the MSTY? And what do you think of it?

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Covered calls on volatile underlyings is a VERY bad idea.
Yes, you get a higher option premium when trading activity increases.
But you have the full downside of the underlying but a capped upside. (because you are selling calls)
So if it goes down steeply, you take 100% of the downside, if it goes up steeply, you only take a fraction, the higher the yield, the closer the call is usually to the strike, the less upside you have.

So if you want to use a covered call strategy, then preferably on a basket that has low volatility, such as $JEGP 😘
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@TotallyLost That's exactly what I wrote😁 That's the "catch" or the risk you take.
If it goes down sharply, it can take a long time to break even again.
But of course the dividend tastes good😋
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@stefan_21 that is not a dividend 😜
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@TotallyLost Okay: But the "dividend" still tastes😋 -> so better?😂
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@stefan_21 yes, something. 😅
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@TotallyLost Wellaaaaaa

In the end, it's only a bad idea if you don't align your investment with your own expectations.

If you expect +-10% and high vola for MSTR, then it fits. 👍
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@TotallyLost define "bad"
I would say "funny"
and if he then really reinvests 5% of his assets I change to "expensive"

so no matter what you decide, max drawdown, risk or potential return, just buying $MSTR makes more sense.
Or as you say BuyWrite on something boring if you want the cash flow
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@leveragegrinding you can compare the dividend yield/distributions of MSTY and JEPG :)
If I implement the plan (future idea) and invest a small portion in the MSTY in addition to my Bitcoin stack, then purely for the monthly cash flow, which - at least in the past - was brutally high.
However, it should hopefully be clear to everyone that you can't get 5-10% per month without risk.
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If I assume that MSTR will rise in the long term and that their strategy is successful, not much can really happen with the MSTY, can it?
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@V7Hodl Yes and no. As written, you take the downside close to 100%, but the upside is capped.
If there is a rapid 30% crash, you take the full 30% downside with you.
If the price then recovers completely within a week, the MSTY would only rise by ~7%. In other words, it can take a long time until the break-even point is reached again. But you still get the dividend :)
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@V7Hodl Yes, you can lose money if the stock fluctuates strongly... which it does. Because you always lose more on the downside than what you gain on the upside.
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@stefan_21 but if the share price falls by 30% - does that mean a 30% reduction in the dividend?
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@V7Hodl YES
and that's not a dividend, that's an option premium. 😅
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@V7Hodl Yes. You can also see that in the history :)
The share price first doubled and then halved again. The payout was always between 5 and 10%
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@TotallyLost I already understood that the option premiums are paid out in the form of a dividend - but for me it's still a dividend😂
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@stefan_21 I see - I had watched Bruce's video on the subject. I didn't think the risk came across so clearly there😅
But it could indeed be an interesting addition
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@V7Hodl This can be very lucrative, especially in longer sideways phases. Or in phases in which the price rises moderately. If the price rises sharply, you can at least profit slightly.
And if the price falls sharply, you get hit on the head.
So if we assume that another major bear market is coming, things could look bleak for MSTR and the MSTY.
Accordingly, for me it will probably be an addition for a little cash flow in the future. But very likely <5%
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@stefan_21 @TotallyLost Thank you for the input🙏
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Incomeshare is currently also publishing many ETPs on Vola shares.
E.g. $COIY on Coinbase or $TSLI on Tesla.
An ETP on $MSTR is also expected to follow soon.

I also find them extremely interesting, but you can quickly burn your fingers. The entry point should be very well chosen.
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@Banana_Millionaire Yes, I've already seen that too. Finding the right entry point is difficult, that's true. My idea was definitely to buy in several tranches over a longer period of time. Although I will probably only start when there is a major BTC correction :)
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I've had a $MSTR return of 95% too so far this year. I expect some more to come before I decided to decide to sell. Its certainly not a long term hold for me. $MSTY is very interesting though.
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I recently had a discussion with a colleague at work about Bitcoin. He said that Bitcoin is unethical and immoral because it wastes a lot of energy and is used for criminal activities. At the same time, he was considering adding Ethereum to his portfolio, as there was more to Ethereum than Bitcoin and Ethereum had a specific use case. Bitcoin is also a pyramid scheme. 😂

I just thought to myself: What? Ethereum is morally and ethically better than Bitcoin? Bitcoin as a perfect store of value is not a use case?

In any case, it's exciting how people always turn to Ethereum instead of Bitcoin. 😅

I finally fell silent and just thought: HFSP. 😂
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@SatsStacker Oh dear😂 how often I've had this kind of discussion😂
What I would be interested to know is what usecase he attributes to ETH? :D
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@stefan_21 Unfortunately, I didn't ask any further questions as the discussion was no longer factual. 😂
I personally currently see the following use cases for $ETH, but I am not an expert in crypto:
- Platform for stablecoins
- Platform for the tokenization of assets
To be honest, I really can't say whether this really makes sense. Ultimately, everything could be implemented without blockchain if it is centralized anyway with PoS and a few validators etc.
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@SatsStacker you acted correctly - in most cases the discussions lead to nothing :)
The euro with the whole banking system also requires an extreme amount of energy... in addition, the euro is used more for illegal activities in percentage terms than Bitcoin - you can ask him if he uses the euro and if so, how he can live with his conscience😂

But joking aside, this is the typical line from many crypto Youtubers. BTC is "only" digital gold. Can't do anything else, is boring... but Ethereum is the digital oil - the entire financial industry will run on it in the future.... for sure🤪

Stablecoins are actually currently the only use case for ETH that I can accept - but $TRX is the leader there because the fees are much higher on ETH :)
In the long term, I think the stablecoins will all run on BTC. Tether wants to bring USDT to the Lightning network, for example. It is also much better for issuers to do this on the most secure network than on some centralized Netzwerk🤷‍♂️

For everything else - as you rightly say, you don't need a blockchain. With Bitcoin, the blockchain makes sense because the Bitcoin network itself generates all the necessary information from within. Yes, Bitcoin has even invented its own time measurement with block time😂

The information that is entered into a blockchain from the outside is always subject to the oracle problem. Firstly, the information can always be wrong and secondly, you still need a third party to prove, for example, that you are the rightful owner of a tokenized share. All these issues such as tokenization can be mapped much better and more efficiently in conventional databases. A blockchain makes no sense at all😅
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@stefan_21 Thanks for pointing out the oracle problem. We can already eliminate the tokenization use case. 😅
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@SatsStacker But all the banks are really into it. I'm really curious to see how it turns out. If you think about it, the shares you have in your securities account are already "tokenized company shares" anyway.
Imagine if they left the markets open 24/7 now🤯
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The only problem is that you can't buy the MSTY in Germany.
XS3087774306 I can find it?
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@user5ca946a11b6a4278 Exactly, this is the certificate from HanETF :)
You can buy the certificate and HanETF buys MSTY directly in the USA and then passes the distributions on to you.
Wanted to write: I can't find it🤣

At least not via scalable and TR. Can you get it on Xetra?
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@user5ca946a11b6a4278 achso😂😂
Yes Xetra, Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Düsseldorf... so pretty much everywhere :D I have a custody account with ING - I could buy the certificate there :)
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Fixed Income für Bitcoin Connaisseure 🚀😎
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at which exchange did you buy it? I cant buy the US version.
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@QUANTIJS in Europe you can buy it via XS3087774306 :)
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@stefan_21 I see it is also sold on london and paris
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@QUANTIJS both of which are located in Europe😅🤷🏼‍♂️
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What is that?
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@Ayrton what do you mean? :)
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@stefan_21 the dividend it pays!!!
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@Ayrton The 5-10% dividends per month are option premiums that accrue when writing options on MSTR. The fund sells the options and the fee they earn from selling the options is passed on to the fund holders as a distribution - just like i explained in my post :D
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CC ETF based on a snowball system is something completely new
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@TaxesAreTheft What makes you think that Strategy is a Ponzi scheme? :D
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@TaxesAreTheft @stefan_21
In principle, Saylor is "shorting" the US dollar and engaging in "fiat arbitrage". That is my understanding.
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@TaxesAreTheft take a look at this instead:
https://youtu.be/tA6Ru77xU6Q?si=ajydBKVAahiFgRjK

And then this one :)
https://youtu.be/oHi7SyrOXE4?si=tltW2TqfhcZ_DMzb

In my eyes, this has nothing to do with a pyramid scheme :)
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Don’t promote this scam company
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@Demas it's not a scam company :D
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