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There is nothing magical about dividend growth!

Many users here are rightly enthusiastic about dividend growth ETFs.

The most popular are probably:

Fidelity Global Quality Income $FGEQ (+0,12 %) and

WisdomTree Global Quality Dividend Growth $GGRG (+0,44 %) / $GGRP (+0,47 %)


On extraetf.com and finanzfluss.de you can find these under the investment strategy - dividends.

Which is understandable at first glance, but unfortunately only half the truth.

What you are actually buying here is the quality factor, but this does not appear under Fundamentals / Quality.

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What is the quality factor?

The quality factor is part of an investment strategy that selects high-quality companies. The criteria for this factor can be "hard" (e.g. return on equity and free cash flows), but the application of this factor can also be based on "softer" criteria such as the quality of management, corporate governance and market position.

If you want to apply this to an index, you take an investment universe (e.g. the MSCI World) and place one or more filters over it that exclude all stocks that do not meet the criteria.

The remaining stocks can then either be sorted according to market capitalization/balances or other criteria can be added.


Let's take a look at what the target investment objective of the MSCI World Sector Neutral Quality Index is:

"The MSCI World Sector Neutral Quality Index captures large and mid-cap representation across 23 Developed Markets (DM) countries*. The index aims to capture the performance of securities that exhibit stronger quality characteristics relative to their peers within the same GICS® sector by identifying stocks with high quality scores based on three main fundamental variables: high Return-on-Equity (ROE), low leverage and low earnings variability."


In simple terms, this means that as much as possible should flow back to shareholders (through dividends or share buybacks), attention should be paid to sales growth and debt should be low.

These are virtually the prerequisites for sustainable dividend growth.


As all 3 ETFs (Fidelity Global Quality Income, WisdomTree Global Quality Dividend Growth and iShares / Xtrackers MSCI World Quality) invest in shares with similar characteristics and these overlap to some extent, it is no wonder that they also perform very similarly.

https://extraetf.com/de/etf-comparison?products=IE00BYXVGZ48-etf,IE00BP3QZ601-etf,IE00BZ56SW52-etf

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It should be mentioned that the WisdomTree Global Quality Dividend Growth differs the most from the other two in terms of its composition. But with 589 stocks, it also holds twice as many stocks as the Global Quality Income or MSCI World Quality. And it also includes momentum screening.

Index Description:


"The index is rules-based, fundamentally weighted and is comprised of high quality dividend[1]paying companies from global developed markets, risk-filtered using a composite risk score ("CRS") screening, which is made up of two factors (quality and momentum), each carrying an equal weighting."


So the WisdomTree Global Quality Dividend Growth is only secondarily a dividend ETF.

It is actually a multi-factor ETF with a dividend filter.


To summarize, what is being done here is simply factor investing with extra steps and you could just as well use the cheaper MSCI World Quality $IS3Q (+0,59 %) / $XDEQ (+0,61 %) as well.


Gerd Kommer is proud of you. 😘


Pro tip: there is no MSCI Emerging Markets Quality ETF in Europe, but for the reasons described above you can buy the Fidelity Emerging Markets Quality Income

$FYEQ (+0,21 %) as a proxy for the reasons described above.

(Edit: I use this myself $PEH (-0,24 %) )

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Thanks for the clarification. Question: Why should I still use an AllWorldETF when there is the WorldQuality ETF?
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@Epi Because factors do not consistently outperform the market.
If value companies had dominated the last 15 years, we would ask ourselves why not just buy value.
Also, for sufficient diversification, you need stocks that have different characteristics.
The ETFs only buy shares when they are well advanced in their development cycle and profitable, so a lot of growth is left behind.

It is not completely absurd to buy only a quality ETF or to weight it high, but you still bear model risk, which is unnecessary.
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@Epi Very ingenious question and brute answer from @PowerWordChill 💪
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@PowerWordChill If you invest for the long term (>25 years), factors do not have to consistently outperform the market. It is enough if they lead to an average outperformance over the entire term. In my opinion, the quality factor does exactly that. So why the ACWI mixed goods store?
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@Epi Yes, but:
It's not a law of nature that the better ones do well. What happens if for some reason the market pushes unprofitable mid-caps and large-caps with high valuations? And under high volatility, so that momentum does not take effect either.
Unlikely but not impossible.
To minimize this model risk, it is good to have a marketcap ETF with you.

The aim is not to have the highest return but not to die poor. 😘
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@PowerWordChill A MarketCapETF is de facto a size-factor ETF that heavily overweights the megacaps. I would also interpret this as a model risk. This would give you the choice between two factors: size (= quantity) or quality. And in the case of a long-term commitment, I would intuitively always opt for quality, as with the wife, the job, the house...
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@Epi You can also simply take all the factors and rebalance regularly.
This should also generate an excess return. With low risk.
https://portfoliocharts.com/2022/04/12/unexpected-returns-shannons-demon-the-rebalancing-bonus/
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@PowerWordChill Of course you can do that. However, if I don't want to rebalance and want to collect the premium of at least one factor in the long term, which factor should I choose?
I would probably opt for the most stable of all: Quality.
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@Epi you don't know that beforehand, there was a time when value was stable and it has underperformed for the last 10 years 😅
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@PowerWordChill Pff, 10 years is not long term. 😅
The value factor is also likely to outperform again in the long term. Some factor seems better than none at all.
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I think you wrote the post well, @PowerWordChill and conveyed your thoughts and assessments in a well-founded way.

But I would like to point out one thing (corrective):
At least at justETF, the WisdomTree Global Quality Dividend Growth ETFs are NOT listed under the "Dividends" equity strategy - they are actually listed under "Fundamentals / quality."
[End of note]

Incidentally, I agree with you that it is an ETF with a quality approach.

Greetings
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@Stullen-Portfolio embarrassing, but thanks to be fair I almost only use Extra-ETF and just assumed that JustETF is the same. 😅
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@PowerWordChill
Top! 🤘

...if you like, you could mention "Finanzfluss" as a source instead. I just checked this too: in their ETF search, WisdomTree's ETFs are listed in the Dividends equity strategy.

Greetings
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@Stullen-Portfolio thanks, I'll do it right away, give the pissers from @finanzfluss a good whacking, that's what they get for not being on getquin anymore. 🤣
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I have the $XDEQ together with an S&P 500 ETF as my ETF base. The MSCI World Momentum performs even better, but I opted for the Quality at the time. The TER premium is easily justified in view of the performance compared to the normal MSCI World.
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My mentor @PowerWordChill has blasted out content again 🍿
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Thanks for your post!
FTSE has quality ETFs for different regions, and also EM.
Provider is L&G, such as the $LDME for EM.
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@RaphGM looks exciting, I'll take a look, thanks. 😘
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@RaphGM I think the Invesco FTSE RAFI Emerging Markets UCITS ETF $PEH is really good.
I never had it on my radar, probably because the name doesn't look like a quality / factor ETF...

I'm really thinking about switching...
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@PowerWordChill Yes, I know these ETFs, but since there is no environmentally friendly screener, I did not have these RAFI ETFs under my umbrella
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@RaphGM I have just bought it, ESG is not an issue for me when investing.
I pay more attention to this in my private life, not least because it is often simply cheaper/healthier to live an environmentally friendly lifestyle.
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I'm right there with you... but for one reason, I still think the WisdomTree is good for a portfolio and that's the different allocation you described. The "normal" msci world quality, for example, almost completely ignores consumer staples, whereas with the wisdomtree you have a strong position in this area.
So in my opinion it can help to balance out the sector allocation in the portfolio
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@Specter The Quality ETF changes its composition every 3 months. Depending on what has the highest ROI. This is why the sector allocation also varies every 3 months.
In my view, these ETFs are not standalones and should not be overweighted.
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A very interesting post. Because for me too (of course also through GetQuin) these are the perfect ETFs where I have growth AND dividends. Thank you very much!
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Very strong contribution as always
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Is the "MSCI World Quality" also available as a distributor or do I have to fall back on the "Fidelity Global Quality Income"?
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@Pfeffi12 nope, but you want to accumulate growth values. 😘
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@Pfeffi12 $FGEQ is the best choice. Strong growth + dividend growth
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@Max095 I actually opted for this one and it is now running on a savings plan. Thanks for the addition.
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@Pfeffi12 Super decision 😊
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Interesting post as always!
A bit unrelated maybe, but the pro tip section got me thinking about factors in EM indexes: quality or value? Which one would you choose if you had to?
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@deodorhunter look at my Portfolio 😉
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@PowerWordChill I always forget that I can do that lol.
It seems we have come to the same conclusion, saving plans running there too :)
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The msci world quality etfs track the msci world sector neutral quality index and not the msci world quality index
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@WarrenNakamoto Now that you mention it... True, but the investment goals are almost the same.
I've corrected it, thanks 😉
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Would you have any reading tips for those considering adding factor ETFs to their ETF portfolio? I'm thinking in particular of quality and momentum. After reading your profile, you pretty much live by it
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf Start with Ben Felix:
https://youtu.be/jKWbW7Wgm0w

In his Rational Reminder Podcast you will find a lot about this:
https://rationalreminder.ca/podcast-directory
This podcast is a real goldmine when it comes to finance.

I also just remembered that Gerd Kommer has written a whole chapter on this topic in the latest edition of Souverän investieren mit Indexfonds und ETFs.
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@PowerWordChill Thank you very much!
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf okay the video is incredibly well researched. It motivates me to delve deeper. In particular, you really need to think about the weighting. There's a weighting in your pinned post that I might like. (Even though I don't know if I'd bother with a 1% Japan small cap). But you can't just write things off, so I'll have to see on what basis I get weights and which factors I add. The aim would be to keep my MSCI World and not sell anything from it. That would be rather unfavorable from a tax perspective.

I will probably also keep gold and Bitcoin shares. The equity component is for the gambling instinct and because it motivates me more to invest and get to grips with it. However, I want to reduce the proportion (by buying ETFs, not necessarily selling shares).
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf The 1% Japan SmallCaps are also just a gimmick. Besides, the ETF is damn expensive and distributing... but I really want my Japanese small caps! 😅
I would also prefer there to be an "Asia Pacific SmallCaps Value Weighted ETF".
At some point Stat Street will launch one... for sure... hopefully... oh who am I kidding. 😓

And as far as the weighting is concerned, the factors tend to perform similarly to the overall market.
To make sure you get something out of them, the weighting should not be less than 10% of your equity component.
Of course, you can also make it easy for yourself and simply start saving at $GERD. 😘
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@PowerWordChill yup. If I save for about 2 years, I should end up with roughly 50\50 Factor / MSCI World. Sounds like a smart allocation to me. I think selling to reallocate would do more harm (tax) than good 😁

You also have to play a bit. I could even imagine hammering the EM completely into non-size factor. I'll definitely let you know what my target image looks like.
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@PowerWordChill Is there actually a value-weighted small cap ETF for the emerging markets? I don't know of a UCITS ETF, but it would make sense if there was one.
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@Index-Investor MSCI has an index on it:
https://www.msci.com/documents/10199/8c37272a-0e7b-4ec2-827b-e34f5c484fb4
But there is no product that I know of that could be bought by a European private investor... 😥
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@PowerWordChill Soo I've put together a little something. Can I throw my target allocation in your face (with my thoughts behind it)? I'd be interested to hear what you think.
I have to admit though that a major flaw of it is that if I don't feel like selling anything, I would have to add about 100k to the portfolio, which could take about 3-5 years (depending on portfolio performance) at my current pace.

The alternative would be to reallocate, but given the +16% in my msci world, that wouldn't taste so good.
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf Of course 😘
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@PowerWordChill Supi 😁

First of all, as I said, I don't like selling ETFs for which I then have to pay taxes, even though they fit into the picture in principle. So I'll probably manage it by buying more, even if it takes longer.
I'm still struggling a bit with the exact weighting. The framework conditions are as follows:
General allocation: currently almost exclusively equities and ETFs. Gold and crypto have been added this year on a small scale. My individual stocks are gimmicks that I want to keep but not increase in size for the time being.
Therefore I come from:
68% ETF
32% individual shares
3% gold
0.7% crypto

Target picture would be
60% ETF
15% gold
15% crypto
10% individual stocks

Being gold and crypto, I'm still not sure whether I should take more gold and less crypto. That may also depend on whether there are any bargains to be had. But both will be built up.

I'm not a huge fan of emerging markets, but I'm taking them along for the sake of completeness. I'm toying with the idea of slightly overweighting the momentum factor compared to others, as it seems to be performing well so far. Of course, it could go wrong. Value has been weaker than Quality (in msci World) over the last few years, but I'll still take both as value has tended to be a bit stronger when bear markets have been going on.

The allocation within the ETFs is as follows:

40% $LCUW (MSCI World)
15% $XDEM (World Momentum)
10% $IS3Q (World Quality)
10% $XDEV (World Value)
5% $ZPRV (Small cap US Value weight)
5% $ZPRX (Small cap EU Value Weight)
7.5% $AE5A (Emerging Markets)
3.75% $PEH (EM Quality)
3.75% $5MVL (EM Value)

I left out smallcaps in EM in favor of lower EM participation. Especially as I have not found any EM Smallcap Value.

What do you think? Too cerebral to now build up the factors and small caps over 4 years, only to possibly outperform the MSCI World by 0.1% with a little less variance with luck?

I like the idea itself. As I said, crypto is a bit expensive for me right now. I can imagine that we will see lower prices here again. Until then, I've been stocking up in small tranches. However, this actually speaks against the principle of a fixed strategy.

I also wanted to have the momentum at 20%. But then I was happy with the other factors.

So far so good. What do you think? Do you have any suggestions for improvement, comments or objections?
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Thanks for the contribution
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Super top 👍
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Thank you very much for the content. I appreciated it very much. (I even reply in German to express my thanks) 😄🚀
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It would be interesting to compare them with the MSCI World or ACWI.
Let me just guess: they are not performing better, rather worse.
I'm on vacation and the comparison is very complicated with my cell phone
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@Chefkoch256 Logically, more USA has led to higher returns in recent years and China has pulled EM down hard.
But past performance and future returns and all that... 😅
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@PowerWordChill Of course, nobody knows the future.
I just always wonder why everyone is so crazy about some niche product that has performed worse in the medium and long term in the past. Why should that change in the future?
Or is it just the dividends? They have a demonstrably negative impact on asset growth. There was a nice video on this recently from Finanztip. It's not a huge difference, but with correspondingly long investment periods, it can be several thousand euros. That's not worth the brief feeling of happiness I get from a distribution, especially because I know that I'll have more in the long term with accumulation.
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@PowerWordChill You can see that it depends enormously on the investment period and the product.
To have a worse return after 26 years requires extreme perseverance and nerves of steel to stay invested.
And even then it is not certain that the product is really better than the market as a whole.
Ultimately, it is the hope that it will behave in the future as it did in the past. Even Gerd Kommer says that this is not necessarily the case
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@Chefkoch256 There are only 2 things guaranteed in life death and taxes.

But I hear there are people like me who do it for fun 😘
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@PowerWordChill I understand.
And here too, the differences are not that huge...
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@Chefkoch256 In any case, it makes the portfolio more stable, less susceptible to bubbles and also increases the degree of diversification.
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@Chefkoch256? how is it supposed to contribute to diversification? The same stocks are highly weighted as in the World and <50% of them in a single sector.
https://extraetf.com/de/etf-comparison?products=DE0006289382-etf,IE00B4L5Y983-etf

If you want to diversify, you have to add stocks that are NOT highly weighted in the World. (e.g. $EXUS )
with the combination $IWDA $EXI2 you build concentrated in US tech.
Since you even bought $MSFT separately, the company alone is already almost 10% of your portfolio...

I'll be honest, that would be too much for me. 😅
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@PowerWordChill I thought it was about factors.
It's completely unsuitable for diversification, you're right.
I deliberately use it to focus on the stocks.
I see the future in US tech and Microsoft has proven that it can pick up and implement new trends very quickly, hence the huge weighting
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So such a dividend growth ETF is not recommended? Is it better to invest in FTSE All World?
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@Samet61 That's not what I wanted to say. They have certainly performed better than an AllWorld.
But you have to be aware that you are practicing factor investing. So you should buy a pure quality ETF straight away 😉
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Thanks for your post, I keep thinking about adding an ETF with dividend growth to my portfolio. Are there any that generate e.g. 10% dividend growth over a long period of time?
In such a way that I can save in them for 20 years?
High yield doesn't help me yet, I have a long horizon with a long savings phase.
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