Good morning Hodler

Alpalaka · 2025-10-14T07:12:05.028786Z

Some suspect that Friday was just a Trump dip, others believe it was the start of the next bear market. What are the B&H investors actually doing here on Getquin when $NVDA,$META, $GOOGL, $BTC and Co. drop >30% over the year? "Oh, I'll sit it out, what do I care about an annual performance of -30%? - Buy more cheaply!!!" or are you looking away from buy & hold and deviating from your strategy? Picture: Business Insider

ElDuderino71@ElDuderino71

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If one of the really big players drops by 30%, I will definitely buy more - or get in if I am not invested in the stock.
In my opinion, Microsoft, Alphabet, Amazon etc. are no-brainers that would be a worthwhile and safe investment in the event of a 30% dip

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Alpalaka@Alpalaka

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@ElDuderino71 For example, one of the stocks you mentioned has been running at minus 30% for a year. However, assuming it takes three years to make up this -30%.
Wouldn't it then make more sense to deviate from Buy&Hold?

"Safe" investment is always a difficult term when you look at the companies in the S&P500 over the years: https://www.voronoiapp.com/markets/The-10-Largest-SP-500-Companies-From-1985-to-2024--4655

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Charmin@Charmin

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If I remember correctly, we already had a similar case in the first few months of this eventful year.

As far as my memory serves me, this is what I did with an NVIDIA position that had dropped 300k:

Nothing.

Currently the same position is quite close to the ATH.

I intend to continue trading it in a similar vein.

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Alpalaka@Alpalaka

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@Charmin You address it directly: in the first few months

Let's assume it falls over 12 months and it takes over 36 months to get back to the same level.

Would you then simply do nothing for 48 months and hope that it will recover?

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Charmin@Charmin

5J

@Alpalaka As long as nothing changes fundamentally and the market simply does market things - that doesn't bother me. I don't want to sell before 2030 anyway, so I wouldn't care.

It only looks completely different if the situation changes in terms of product (lead), infrastructure, demand and management.

But, to be honest, I don't currently see a scenario in which NVIDIA falls consistently over 12 months.

I can't say anything about the other values, as I have no idea.

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Marcel@di_marcello

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@Alpalaka if something falls for the next 12 months, then when will you take action. After 2 months, 4 months or 12 when it will be at a ATL. And how do we know (now) it will keep falling for 12 months.

What do B&H investors do? They hold, otherwise they are no B&H investors...
Only recurring actions define a characteristic.

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Patrick Schäfer@Hotte1909

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I haven't actually hedged my ETFs. I just let them continue to run... My B&H positions are partly hedged with sl but quite low. Just as an example $GS is about 65% up for me, I have set the sl at about 15% up. My trades that are already in my target zone I have set just below supports they are all somewhere between 15 and 100% plus. Trades that have not yet reached their target zone are anyway hedged at around -20 to -10% of the current price. Keyword risk management.
Positions that are earmarked for b&h but have not yet reached their target size are not hedged as I plan to continue investing there anyway. I can spontaneously think of $LOTB, which currently stands at around +3% and is about 50% full. Ideally, I will buy there in the bear market.

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Alpalaka@Alpalaka

5J

@Hotte1909 I was looking for an answer like that. Thank you very much!

No stubborn B&H but also looking for profit outside the strategy and hedging positions accordingly

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Patrick Schäfer@Hotte1909

5J

@Alpalaka Yes and no. It's just a mixture. Around 40% of my equity assets are in 2 ETFs ( $TDIV and $VWRL), which I buy regularly, partly via savings plans and partly via one-off purchases. To be honest, I don't care what happens to them in a bear market. In 20 years they will be worth more than they are today and that's what counts. It's a different story with individual stocks. There is always a certain amount of risk involved and you should be able to assess that and keep an eye on it. But it would be foolish not to hedge speculative investments. What will happen to $RKLB if the Neutron suddenly doesn't work after all? The drop is enormous. Fortunately, I'm relatively well up despite buying at earlier ATHs and in the worst case I'll go out with 100% up. Even if I still see enormous potential there from the current price perspective

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wasi@wasi

5J

Keep on hodling! Nice that you mention $META - bought at €292, temporarily down to <€100 in November 22 - now up 109%.
I have stop-losses on two "hype stocks", the rest really hodl!
[Love the picture!]

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Alpalaka@Alpalaka

5J

@wasi I was also just looking for a reason for the post

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Tenbagger2024@Tenbagger2024

5J

If you believe in your company, you will survive the bear market and sleep like a bear.

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Harald@Madhatter5566

5J

When you reach into a falling knife, you should grasp it firmly

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Alpalaka@Alpalaka

5J

@Madhatter5566 So that you can see the scars for long enough?

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Harald@Madhatter5566

5J

@Alpalaka So that the hand is off, so that you don't do it again.

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Basti92@BavarianLion

5J

So far I have bought into every bear market and have always done well! I currently only have one position that is in the red (Deutsche Telekom)

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Stephan K.@StrahlemannLP

5J

When the big stocks are asked to pay up, I would check whether the business model is still in place. If it is, the savings plans will be happy and buy more at a 30% discount. If a retailer did something like that nowadays, they'd be in hot water.

As always, it depends on what your own investment horizon is. If I hate my job and want to build up a capital base as quickly as possible, then that's bitter. If I don't depend on these investments, then I couldn't care less.

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Bruce@BruceBullridge

5J

I will continue with my ETF savings plan and then reward myself with positive returns in the next upward trend.

My portfolio is actually like a phoenix, it will rise from the ashes (bear market) and show off its dazzling plumage🙌

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Donald D.@Privateer

5J

Of those mentioned, I only have Alphabet and there is a savings plan in place. At - 30 %, a review is carried out, and staggered individual purchases or an increase in the savings plan are conceivable. If the business prospects are no longer good, the shares will be sold.

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Gernhard@Gernhard_Reinholzen

4J

As always, I do nothing with a 30% BTC drop

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Eselai@DonkeyInvestor

5J

30% for Bitcoin? So a completely normal day? Like every other day, I simply do nothing at all 👍

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Alpalaka@Alpalaka

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@DonkeyInvestor I suspect that the majority of people here didn't have Bitocin before 2023. Most people don't even know what it feels like.

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Eselai@DonkeyInvestor

4J

@Alpalaka it's beautiful 😍

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Alpalaka@Alpalaka

4J

@DonkeyInvestor Like rocking. Simply fun

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userc7b02065b8a7407b@userc7b02065b8a7407b

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B&H will be continued. Savings plans continue. Buying in bear markets. This has worked for me so far. I stick to the strategy and look at my companies to see whether my investment thesis is still working. So I only sell if I'm no longer convinced by the company or the growth thesis. Sometimes I feel the urge to act, but then it's better to switch my head back on 😉

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Alex@A1bund7

4J

B&H are usually companies that constantly earn money. And they usually don't stop. Up and down is part of it

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Alpalaka@Alpalaka

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@A1bund7 if you look at the S&P500 over time, they stop - at least if you look at the chart :)
Can B&H work at all? Do you have to swap companies in 15 years? Will it still be B&H then?

https://www.voronoiapp.com/markets/The-10-Largest-SP-500-Companies-From-1985-to-2024--4655

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