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@Solitair CO2 certificates will be tradable from 2027 - then we'll be at 2.50 for super over New Year's Eve. This is not "the state", but a SUPRANATIONAL ideology.
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@Solitair the levies have not been changed in the last few days, prices are rising by over 10%. That doesn't fit with your statement.
The majority of prices are made up of taxes and other levies, but you can't blame the state for selling fuel that is currently bought cheaply at high prices...
The majority of prices are made up of taxes and other levies, but you can't blame the state for selling fuel that is currently bought cheaply at high prices...
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•@Chefkoch256 yes, but that's no fun for the complainers. Facts don't matter anyway.
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@jkb92 Do you think complaining about the high fuel prices of recent years is nagging? Tell that to a haulier. 😉 The problem is that the truth is not black and white. Facts are not a matter of opinion: the fact that the state forms the massive price foundation with energy tax, CO2 pricing (€55-65/t in 2026) and 19% VAT is a mathematical fact - and this trend is politically desired. The fact that oil companies additionally expand their margins in times of crisis is a nuisance and supported by data, but it does not change the fact that the state has raised the base level so high through its tax burden that petrol will never be cheap in Germany again. Anyone who ignores this is ignoring the actual core problem.
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•@schlimmschlimm It is of course true that the price is largely made up of levies.
However, as these are mainly taxes, it must also be recognized that the aim is to steer demand away from fossil fuels. This undoubtedly makes sense from an ecological point of view, but in the short term it is debatable from an economic point of view. In the long term, renewable energies are significantly cheaper to produce, if only because they are renewable and not limited.
However, as these are mainly taxes, it must also be recognized that the aim is to steer demand away from fossil fuels. This undoubtedly makes sense from an ecological point of view, but in the short term it is debatable from an economic point of view. In the long term, renewable energies are significantly cheaper to produce, if only because they are renewable and not limited.
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•@schlimmschlimm I was more concerned with the notorious here-is-everything-bad complainers. And now blaming the state for the high prices fits right in with that for me. The tax has not changed and I find it weak to construct an accusation against the state from the brazen behavior of the petrol station operators.
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@Chefkoch256 Yes, our electricity prices are also the cheapest in the world thanks to the turnaround. Oh wait 🙄
And I see every day what is financed with our levies and taxes. But let's remain optimistic 😉
And I see every day what is financed with our levies and taxes. But let's remain optimistic 😉
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•@Chefkoch256 I don't think we are saving the world's climate with the price of petrol? After all, that's apparently what it's all about when you bring up renewables? Is this the ecology of the better off? In the short term? Short-term' is good - we have been paying the highest electricity and petrol prices in Europe in Germany for over a decade. When will this 'short-term' phase end for you?
The problem is the persistence with which we cling to a policy that is a massive burden on the location. While other countries use their energy prices as a lever for industrial competitiveness, energy in Germany primarily serves as a cash cow for the treasury and as an educational tool.
It is not a question of 'whether' climate protection will be implemented, but 'how' it will be implemented socially. And if this implementation starts with the poorer people and the economy, criticism is not nagging, but absolutely justified. The haulier or commuter is not waiting for the long-term paradise of renewables if he loses his livelihood today under the pressure of costs. A policy that generates such high prices over such a long period of time without the promised relief or infrastructure arriving across the board has simply failed. Energy prices have a regressive effect. But I don't think we can come together here. But that doesn't matter. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. 😉 Thanks for the discussion anyway. And what's more, this is a stock forum, so we've actually missed the point. 😉
The problem is the persistence with which we cling to a policy that is a massive burden on the location. While other countries use their energy prices as a lever for industrial competitiveness, energy in Germany primarily serves as a cash cow for the treasury and as an educational tool.
It is not a question of 'whether' climate protection will be implemented, but 'how' it will be implemented socially. And if this implementation starts with the poorer people and the economy, criticism is not nagging, but absolutely justified. The haulier or commuter is not waiting for the long-term paradise of renewables if he loses his livelihood today under the pressure of costs. A policy that generates such high prices over such a long period of time without the promised relief or infrastructure arriving across the board has simply failed. Energy prices have a regressive effect. But I don't think we can come together here. But that doesn't matter. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. 😉 Thanks for the discussion anyway. And what's more, this is a stock forum, so we've actually missed the point. 😉
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•@Baraccus Quick note: We have not yet completed the turnaround, but are in the middle of it. The switch will cost money, but it will pay off in the long term.
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@Chefkoch256 Yes, and you just have to explain it better to stupid people, don't you? 😉
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