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Today I would like to shed some light on the special tax situation of the $TDIV (+0,38 %) which result from the fact that it is a Dutch ETF.

One particularly interesting aspect becomes apparent if you have already exhausted your tax-free allowance, as the tax burden is reduced in this case due to the special structure of the ETF.

The ETF deducts a (Dutch) withholding tax of 15% on dividend payments, which may seem disadvantageous at first glance. However, this is precisely where it has a tax advantage: by offsetting this withholding tax against the domestic tax burden and the partial exemption, the effective tax burden is significantly reduced. As a result, investors have to pay less of their distributions than would be the case with comparable ETFs without withholding tax.

Helmut Jonen once wrote more specific figures on this in his story:

"As a result, the tax burden on dividend distributions is not only reduced to 18.46% due to the 30% partial exemption, but even to just 17.63%. This would bring the partial exemption down to 33.15%."

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However, the dividends paid must also be taken into account when considering the overall performance!
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It's a good thing that my tax-free allowance has already been used up by the first dividend payment in March.
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Thank you for that. Unfortunately, it is still often claimed that ETFs are at a tax disadvantage. Many people simply don't understand this and you have explained it relatively simply.
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@Portfoliopferd you might be interested (we recently had this topic somewhere in the comments)
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A performance of 57% in 8 years is not exactly good, so I'm willing to accept higher taxes for a better performance
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@Slucks87 Of course, you must not forget the approx. 4% payouts and approx. 7% dividend increase. On the other hand, it is a good addition to an e.g. $FGEQ
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I have a similar view.
I personally find the performance/dividend ratio appropriate.
Without reigniting the old discussion between value / growth strategies, I think the $TDIV is great, especially in combination with $VHYL.
I think if you combine them in 1/3 to 2/3 (with 2/3 the $VHYL), you get a solid combination of performance and dividend as a value investor.
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I have just checked this issue with this ETF or with Flatex again, as I read the statement, the partial exemption was listed but not taken into account.
I'm curious to see what they write, I'm not a tax expert either and may have misinterpreted it... 🤔😀
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@Dividendenbezieher Let us know how it turns out!
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@randomdude I have received an answer from Flatex. The partial exemption is fully credited, it was a mistake in my thinking... :)
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Is it possible to reclaim withholding tax from the Netherlands?
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@randomdude Instead of paying tax in Germany, you have paid tax in the Netherlands and de facto you save the solidarity surcharge on it.
So you don't have to fill out any Dutch forms and you don't have to get anything back from the Netherlands, because there is nothing to get back, as it is treated as if you had paid the taxes in Germany, except that you just had to pay less.
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@plaul All right, now I've understood it too 🙃
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HI @plaul... I have understood that the withholding tax (after the exemption amount) is credited due to double taxation agreements and that the above-mentioned system even offers tax advantages. Sounds attractive.
Does this tax offsetting have to be done manually via Admin Expense or EKST, or is it automatic?
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@VillaSpilla hey, good question. In fact, Dutch withholding tax is automatically credited, deducted, and is the only country I know of besides the USA that does this completely. Of your 15% withholding tax, 15% is also automatically deducted from your capital gains tax.
So you have no admin effort, unlike withholding tax from Switzerland, for example.
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@plaul.... well, then I would say: $TDIV attack :-) The figures for the last few years look really good.
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@VillaSpilla That's right! I've had nothing but fun with it so far, it's a really smart thing!
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