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Discussion sur PYPL
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647Quarterly figures 27.10-31.10.25

Why I am interested in the PayPal discount:
PayPal ($PYPL (+1,26 %) ) as a rally candidate:
strong earnings performance,
56 % below fair value and two news with potential for Christmas business (5 % cashback at BNPL & PayPal Ads Manager).
We check: Fundamentals, valuation, chart (buy zone ~$67, target range $94-102) and the quarterly figures on 28.10. pre-market.
What is your opinion on PayPal?
Portfolio Feedback Please
Hey, it's been a while since I’ve gotten feedback, and a lot has changed since then.
About Me:
I'm 19 years old and started investing back in February 2024.
Concerns & Clarification:
$PYPL (+1,26 %) (PayPal):
I recently added PayPal to my portfolio. I’ve always liked the company’s concept and was hopeful about its long-term potential—especially with the Google collaboration. However, I'm starting to feel less confident about this move and am questioning whether it was a mistake.
$ABNB (+0,6 %) (Airbnb):
This is a position I plan to hold for the long term. I really like the business model, but I’m increasingly concerned about the regulatory challenges Airbnb is facing in various regions. It’s definitely something I’m keeping an eye on.
$GOSS (-3,76 %) (Gossamer Bio):
This is a small, high-risk bet in my portfolio. I understand the risks involved and have sized the position accordingly.
$1211 (+1,8 %) (BYD Company):
I’m considering selling this one. The competition in the EV space is becoming extremely fierce, and I’m not sure BYD can maintain its edge in the long run.
Portfolio Goal:
My main goal is to outperform the MSCI World Index ( $IWDA (+1,03 %) ) while keeping risk at a moderate level.
I do include some higher-risk bets in the portfolio, but they’re usually small in size and don't compromise the overall risk profile.
I haven't really seen any bad values.
The journey is the goal. Keep up the good work. More ETFs are also allowed.
I'm working on that too.
PayPal
All banks in the EU now offer free real-time bank transfers. Only PayPal still charges a 1% fee for this. The share has been dirty for years:
-16% over one year
-26% since the beginning of the year
-64% over five years
-76% since the all-time high in July 2021
Same share price as 2017. Too much competition with too little growth. What do you think of $PYPL (+1,26 %) and the share?
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I took the screenshot yesterday. Payout from Paypal to my German bank account. Real time still costs 1%. Any opinions?
Allocation by Irish sale
The idea of further diversifying my portfolio had solidified somewhat in recent weeks. $IREN (+2,38 %) I left it at my self-imposed partial sell target of EUR 55 and started to build up the first positions on Friday. I am sticking to my target of investing around EUR 5k in each position. $IREN (+2,38 %) remains in the portfolio with 500 shares and will (probably) not be touched in the near future. $DEFI (+3,47 %) Now also full with 5,500 shares.
19k liquidity left and will still be invested in top-ups + new shares.
Individual shares are now:
$DSFIR (-0,46 %) possibly increase
$MUM (+3,55 %) possibly increase
$FSLR (+2,13 %) Increase if necessary
$NICE Increase if necessary
Does anyone else have an idea for a share, possibly also from the German-speaking region? The Asian region would also be very interesting, although I am looking a little at $1810 (-0,71 %) look at.
vg and have a nice WE
Micha
My biggest mistakes so far
Reading time: 10 minutes
Mistakes are to the stock market as volatility is to the chart. Looking back, they are what hurts the most - but also teaches the most. In recent years, I have deliberately tried out many strategies in order to develop my own system. There have been some hits - but also misses, which have shown me what really counts in the long term.
This article is primarily aimed at new investors. I hope to save you from making one or two costly mistakes - or at least to show you what really matters if you want to invest sustainably.
Five examples are particularly influential. They mark the turning points at which I went from being a pure yield hunter to a structured investor.
1. historical performance overvalued
My entry into the $INRG (+0,23 %) (iShares Global Clean Energy ETF) was, in retrospect, almost textbook bad timing. I bought when the story sounded perfect: energy transition, political tailwinds, ESG money, green euphoria. The share price was close to an all-time high and fund providers were outbidding each other with promises for the future.
I let myself be dazzled - not by fundamentals, but by charts and headlines. The ETF portfolio consisted mainly of highly valued solar and hydrogen stocks with P/E ratios that were beyond all reason. I didn't really understand the product and only saw the impressive historical performance.
After a few months, I was down around -17% and realized the loss - a classic example of past performance bias. Today, the ETF is trading significantly lower again.
Learning:
High historical returns are not an argument, but a warning. When a sector is already overrun by institutional money, the regression to the mean begins. Since then, I have checked the composition, valuation levels and the cycle of the narrative for every investment. An ETF is only as good as its components - and hype is no substitute for analysis.
2. value trap instead of value opportunity
$INTC (+2,9 %) (Intel) seemed to me at the time to be a classic underperformance opportunity: lower P/E ratio than $NVDA (+2,2 %) (NVIDIA) or $AMD (+2,11 %) (Advanced Micro Devices), solid cash flow, decent dividend. I saw the numbers, not the structure.
The company has been struggling for years with innovation gaps, manufacturing problems and a protracted strategy. Margins were falling, market share was shrinking - but the valuation looked attractive. This is precisely the nature of a value trap: cheap because the business model is losing competitiveness.
I held on to the thesis for too long and eventually realized a loss of around -21 %. Despite the current upswing, Intel is still lagging behind today, while its competitors have further extended their lead.
Learning:
Valuation alone is not a safety net. Favorable multiples are often a symptom, not an opportunity. I have learned that capital flows, technological dynamics and management quality are crucial. Value only works if the business model is intact - not if you are hoping for a renaissance that is fundamentally unproven.
3. "What falls is cheap" - the fallacy using the example of $PYPL (+1,26 %)
(PayPal)
Another classic mistake: the belief that a sharp fall in the share price is automatically a good entry point. After PayPal's massive correction in 2021, I thought this was a rare opportunity. The company was once overvalued - no question - but I interpreted the setback as a downward exaggeration.
I got in after the share had already fallen sharply and even bought more as it continued to fall. The assumption: "It won't fall that low again." But it continued to fall - and has not recovered sustainably to this day. The exaggerated valuation premium from the boom years was simply no longer justified.
In the end, I realized a loss of around -44 %. The share will probably never reach the old highs again because the market environment, margin structure and growth have changed permanently.
Learning:
A falling share price does not automatically make a share cheap. You have to examine why it has fallen - and whether the fundamental situation has changed. An exaggeration on the upside is often followed by an overcorrection on the downside, and the old valuation remains out of reach for years. Today, I prefer to invest in companies whose trend is intact instead of speculating on "comebacks".
4. warning signals ignored - the example $CLI (+0,21 %)
(Cliq Digital)
For those unfamiliar with CLIQ, the company positions itself as a streaming provider - similar to $NFLX (-0,17 %) (Netflix), only much more niche. On paper, everything seemed to fit: high margins, strong growth, an attractive dividend and a barely noticed small cap with potential.
I saw the opportunities - but not the contradictions. The business model was difficult to understand, the reporting was incomplete and the short interest was extremely high. Nevertheless, I held on to the position - "because the figures were so good".
In the end, I realized a loss of around -26 %, including dividends. Today, the value is almost 90 % lower.
Learning:
If you don't understand a business model, it's not a good idea to be invested. Transparency is not a nice-to-have, but a must. In small caps in particular, you should check carefully whether growth is real, repeatable and sustainable. Since this experience, I have avoided business models that I cannot explain in two sentences - and take high short ratios as a serious warning signal.
5. trend understood - implementation missed
I wanted to focus on the self-service trend early on: Terminals for fast food chains, supermarkets, airports. A massive growth market - but I was looking for the wrong player. I found $M3BK (+5,4 %) (Pyramid), a small German company with a reverse IPO structure, hardly any investor relations, low liquidity and a non-transparent balance sheet.
I invested, convinced by the trend - not the business model. The share fell for months and I realized a loss of around -34%. Today it is trading at penny stock level.
Learning:
A strong trend alone does not make a good investment. The decisive factor is who has the real leverage in the value chain. It is often not the visible brands that benefit, but the blade manufacturers in the background - suppliers, infrastructure companies, platform providers. I have learned to analyze the ecosystem first and then look for the most profitable position in it.
Overarching learnings
These five mistakes were expensive, but their impact was priceless. Today, they are an integral part of my methodology - both in the 10B model (for growth opportunities) and in the Hidden Quality Radar (for quality values).
1. foundation beats narrative:
Stories are loud, but numbers are honest. Today, I check every investment for cash flow quality, return on capital and strategic positioning - and only then for valuation.
2. timing is crucial - but only in the right context:
I used to think that timing was unimportant, the main thing was to invest for the long term. Today I have a more differentiated view: the time of entry is a decisive factor in determining the risk/reward profile. If you buy in euphoric phases, you often pay for the correction years later. On the other hand, those who invest in downward exaggerations - with fundamental analysis and patience - gain a massive advantage. Timing is therefore not a game of chance, but the result of preparation, market observation and discipline.
3. accept small losses:
Discipline beats hope. Getting out early when things go wrong saves capital for better opportunities.
Here I would like to recommend a great article by @DonkeyInvestor recommend: https://getqu.in/eymPwi/
4 Transparency and management count:
I only invest in companies whose strategy and communication are transparent. Trust is not a gut feeling, but a data point.
These experiences have shaped the way I think today: patience instead of greed, quality before valuation, understanding before actionism. I have learned that you don't always have to be right on the stock market - you should think consistently.
Mistakes are inevitable. But if you reflect on them honestly, you build up your expertise with every bad experience.
What mistakes have shaped you - and what have you learned from them?
I also find myself in a few things.
Now I'm really trying to understand the reasons why hypes arise, why a share falls, sinks, etc.
A mistake I made yesterday:
I am convinced of $RACE, invested all my liquid cash yesterday instead of waiting a bit. It was a rare opportunity, so to speak.
As you can see now, today would have been a better opportunity.
Learning = Don't let your greed drive you and sometimes watch the market from the sidelines. The stock market always likes to exaggerate in both directions.
Well, in the long term, Ferrari is one of my favorites and almost a collector's item.
Fancy a 200% chance?
For those who believe in the comeback of $PYPL (+1,26 %) in the next 6 months, here is a nice discount certificate.
If PayPal reaches at least 90$ by March next year, you will get back a good 200%, namely 5$.
The certificate has the MK3KXF.
Of course, high profit opportunities also mean high risk here. Should $PYPL (+1,26 %) falls below 85$ in March, there will be a total loss.
And in view of the upcoming figures (I assume that they will be better than expected, especially the outlook), it is also advisable to set an SL, which I started with at €0.60
My buyin is 1.37. So that would be 60% risk of loss. But there is no KO. The decision will be made in March.
Of course, this is not investment advice or a recommendation to buy. You have to know for yourself what you are doing.
From 11k to 50k in 2.5 years - my plan, what do you think?
I recently started my training as a civil servant and receive €1,400 net. I also receive a half-orphan's pension of €540. As I hardly have any fixed costs (only fuel, food and MMA training), I end up with almost all of my income left over to invest.
🧭 My plan: I have a savings plan for €1,400 on the 2nd of every month. I'm also thinking about putting €200 a month into derivatives - not as my main investment, but as "play money" to take any profits and then shift them into ETFs or BTCs.
Current portfolio & strategy (approx. €11,400):
Core S&P 500 ETF ( 30%)
$CSPX (+1,2 %) (target 30% of the portfolio)
→ This is my core component in the portfolio. I deliberately only want to hold approx. 30% core because I'm prepared to take more risk as I get older.
Bitcoin
$BTC (-0,48 %) (also target 30%)
→ I still need to buy more, but it should have the same weighting as my core.
Nu Holdings
$NU (+0,94 %) 10%
→ I see this as a future stock with a lot of potential.
PayPal $PYPL (+1,26 %) 10%
→ I plan to use it as a turnaround investment. However, no further savings plan, as I want to wait and see how the value develops.
Ondas Holdings
$ONDS (+3,26 %) 5-10%
→ I would describe this as my momentum share - the plan here is to cash in when profits are good.
Kaspa (crypto) $KAS (+0,02 %) 5%
→ Fun project, but also with a long-term perspective.
Canopy Growth $WEED (-2,59 %)
→ I think I will hold in the medium term.
🚀Target:
In 2.5 years (I'll be 21 then) I'd like to crack the €50,000 mark.
In purely mathematical terms:
- Starting capital: € 11,400
- Monthly income: €1,940 (€1,400 + 540)
- Fixed costs: approx. 400 €
- Investment amount: € 1,600 per month (€ 1,400 savings plan + € 200 derivatives)
- In 30 months: € 48,000 deposits + starting capital → € 59,400 (without return).
So with a little return, the €50k target should be absolutely realistic. 🚀
What do you think about my setup?
👉 Which 2 additional stocks would you recommend for the savings plan (besides S&P500 & BTC)?
👉 How do you see the €200 in derivatives as a "play money" strategy?
Best decision since I became an investor
I have been with Jumia $JMIA (+3,84 %) since € 1.50 and AMD $AMD (+2,11 %) I bought a lot more at € 80.
Airbus also $AIR (+0,57 %) always delivers.
Paypal $PYPL (+1,26 %) must now follow suit, but here too I see prices above €100 soon.
How I invest €20,000 now - My strategy in May 2025
I have decided to reinvest €20,000 and am focusing on a mix of growth and quality stocks with a long-term perspective. Here is my allocation:
5,000 € - Jumia $JMIA (+3,84 %)
Africa's leading e-commerce player is currently heavily undervalued. The company has lowered its cost base, operates more efficiently and will benefit from the growing internet and mobile payment market in Africa in the long term. For me, a speculative but promising small cap with a 5-10 year horizon.
7,500 € - AMD $AMD (+2,11 %)
AMD continues to impress with its strong product portfolio, particularly in the areas of AI, server CPUs and gaming. The valuation is much more favorable compared to Nvidia, with a high level of innovation at the same time. I see great potential here for the coming years, especially in the data center and AI segment.
2.500 € - PayPal $PYPL (+1,26 %)
Despite a weak share price performance in recent years, PayPal remains a strong player in the payment sector. The company is highly profitable, generates strong cash flow and could switch back into growth mode with the right strategic decisions. For me, it is a turnaround candidate with potential.
5,000 € - Airbus $AIR (+0,57 %)
Airbus is benefiting from global aviation growth in the long term. The order books are full and the Group is well positioned both technologically and geopolitically. In times of uncertainty and the re-industrialization of Europe, I see this as a solid industrial stock with a stable tailwind.
Conclusion:
I deliberately combine growth stocks (Jumia, AMD) with established quality companies (Airbus, PayPal). The focus is on long-term potential - I accept fluctuations. Time in the market beats timing the market.
What do you think - would you weight differently or do you have a position in one of these stocks yourself?
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