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Best world ETFs for the Swiss

Hello everyone,


I would like to start a discussion about the best #etf s for the #schweiz to start. Let's start with the most important basics:


  • Dividends are taxed as income in Switzerland (even for accumulating ETFs). So ultimately it doesn't matter for tax purposes whether you have a distributing or accumulating ETF.
  • Access to American ETFsas not a member of the EU and therefore access to significantly cheaper ETF alternatives (e.g. $VT (+0,34 %) ).
  • Agreement between the USA and Switzerland reduces the US withholding tax from 30% to 15%. The remaining 15% can be claimed in the tax return for American ETFs.
  • In the case of high to very high assets, ETFs with an American fund domicile may be taxed by the IRS for tax purposes.
  • In the case of inheritance it could be a documentary/bureaucratic challenge for the surviving dependants with the IRS to transfer the ETFs with American brokers (classic #ikbr ).
  • From a tax perspective, Irish ETFs are the most interesting after American ETFs due to the agreement between Ireland and the USA to reduce withholding tax from 30% to 15%. However, the remaining 15% cannot be claimed on the tax return.


For some years now I have been investing in the MSCI World $XDWD (+0,38 %) (World Industrialized Countries) and not too long ago the AC World $XMAW (+0,31 %) (All World). This is because, in addition to my Swiss broker (#saxobank ) and #ikbr my German bank (#consorsbank ) and Amundi and Xtracker ETFs can be saved there free of charge, which would be obsolete due to the low costs of Saxo and/or IKBR. In addition, these are accumulating and I would prefer to save in distributing ETFs. With a TER of 0.19% and 0.25%, these are okay, but certainly not the best ($VT (+0,34 %) or $at 0.06%).


Irish alternatives would be the $WEBG (+0,29 %) (TER 0.7%, distributing, All-World), $UBU7 (+0,29 %) (TER 0.10%, distributing, MSCI-World), $VDEV (+0,19 %) (TER 0.10%, distributing, industrialized countries) or $XDWL (+0,32 %) (TER 0.12%, distributing, MSCI-World and counterpart to my accumulating $XDWD (+0,38 %) ).


Which ETF do you save in if you are a Swiss resident? Which ETF would you save in if you were in the Swiss "luxury" situation?

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The $XMAW is an ESG variant of an All World ETF (environmental, social, corporate governance). I don't know if this is intentional, but if not, you may be losing out on returns here, so I would go for a direct All World.
My favorite is the All World from Vanguard, partly because of Vanguard's corporate philosophy. I think Invesco also offers the same All World with a low TER, so it can also be an interesting alternative. I also have the $WEBG with a second broker. As you have already written, it has a very good TER of 0.07 for an All Country ETF. @cashwithhead has also written an article on the advantages of Amundi as a European issuer.
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@TheStoic Thanks for the great article. I plan to sell the $XMAW and switch to another ETF. Fortunately I don't have to pay capital gains tax.
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I follow MustachianPost and ThePoorSwiss as US ETFs are cheaper and more tax efficient than Irish domiciled ETFs.
My main investment is the ETF VT via IBKR.
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@SwissStasher I am also very much inclined to go down this route. I'm not sure yet whether I should liquidate current positions and then reallocate or just leave them. In theory, it would be worth it in the long term.
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@Tojasoku
You can also make a compromise, for example, leave your current all-world ETF and save in VT to diversify your broker/ETF. This is how I currently do it: my old custody account contains VWRL, the new custody account VT.
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@SwissStasher good idea 👍🏻
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FTSE All world, dist, Vanguard, Irland
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@MWS So you are accepting the slight tax disadvantages of Irish ETFs due to the complicated American bureaucracy, right? Where do you save/buy the ETFs?
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@Tojasoku Yes, exactly! I opted for easy peasy instead of complete optimization.

Recently switched from SQ and Degiro to Neon because I think the whole package is great: account and broker
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Additionally $CHDVD to exclude currency risks.
I thought Swiss is capital gain tax free. Or?
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@fund_mastermind_364 ETF and Shares gain is Tax free, correct!

But u have to pay Tax on the dividends
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not for ETF acc
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I'm recently interested in ChF Heged Etfs, as the dollar is simply less interesting than the CHF.... e.g. this one $ACWIS
You are absolutely right. Very good contribution
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@Iwanowitsch not in German-speaking Switzerland 👍🏻
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@Iwanowitsch Austrian, right. But I've been living and working in Switzerland for years, so I sometimes adopt certain words 👍🏻
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@Iwanowitsch What exactly is your problem? I'm not French either, so why salute me when I live in German-speaking Switzerland?

It's hardly going to be up to you, and as long as I'm an absolutely necessary specialist in a field where there aren't enough Swiss people, it's unlikely to happen 😉
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@Iwanowitsch

Hello Kate,

I wish you all the best and hope that you can get rid of your intolerant attitude one day. 👍🏻 If a "Salü" from a fellow citizen already bothers you because of his origin, I don't want to know how you live with the more than 25% foreigners in Switzerland, btw due to the immigration rules mostly working professionals.
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@Kundenservice I would ask you to take such unnecessary hostility seriously, thank you very much.
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@Tojasoku you can also delete comments under his post yourself
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@Smudeo Thanks for pointing that out 🙂 But I think customer service should see that, because it's unnecessary on this platform.
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