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The USA belongs in every depot! BUT:

Country diversification is important!


Foreword:


I have noticed that many people have recently been thinking about adding a little more US exposure to their portfolio. The classic approach is to hold a FTSE All-World and then buy an S&P500 or NASDAQ100. Others consider selling their FTSE All-World and going 100% US. Still others happily buy stocks that already have the highest weighting in their FTSE All-World.


Reasons are often given such as:

- The other countries are just a drag on returns (performance chasing)

- Nothing works without the USA (markets are increasingly correlated)

- US companies earn their money worldwide (and are therefore automatically diversified)


What I find somewhat disconcerting is the matter-of-factness with which long-term portfolios are intervened in. People act as if the future is certain.


In the following, I would like to use the example of the USA to explain, as briefly and thoroughly as possible, why the above reasons are no substitute for country diversification.


I have linked the most important sources at the end.



1. valuations


In an article from 2021 entitled "The Long Run Is Lying to You" [1]

Cliff Asness showed that from 1980 to 2020, almost all of the outperformance of the S&P 500 versus the EAFE index (21 developed countries excluding the US and Canada) can be explained by the increase in the price of US stocks relative to their cyclically adjusted earnings.

US equities outperformed by around two percent per year, but adjusted for valuation changes, the outperformance was only around 0.4 percent per year. Adjusting for valuation changes is important because current valuations are one of the most meaningful metrics we have for estimating expected returns. If equity valuations are higher, returns will tend to be lower in the future, as described in: "Accounting valuation, market expectation, and cross-sectional stock returns" [2]


The 2022 paper "Is The United States A Lucky Survivor: A Hierarchical Bayesian Approach" [3] shows that U.S. stock returns have beaten their own expected returns by about two percent per year, which can be explained by two things.

A: U.S. companies have done better than expected due to disasters that did NOT occur. (such as Japan bubble in 1990, civil war, war at home, political instability, debt crises...) This has led to a learning process (B).

B: A learning process in which investors have come to believe that US equities are safer over time, which has driven up their valuations. (the author assumes a turkey illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_illusion)



2. currency risk:


If you heavily overweight a country / currency area in your portfolio, you are exposing yourself to currency risk, whether consciously or unconsciously. A bet on the USA is also a bet on a strong US dollar.


What does this mean in practice? If the USD depreciates against the euro, all assets priced in USD become cheaper. This can be seen particularly well in the price of gold. The USD has done quite well against the EUR over the last 10 years, which is why the

US gold investor only 64 %,

but the EU gold investor made a 105% return. [4]

The same is true for equity returns, US equities have a higher return for foreign currency investors when the dollar is strong and vice versa.



3. company and sector cluster risks


It should also be noted that the

S&P - 500 - has a 37% Information Technology share and the

Nasdaq-100 - 45%.


At the same time, the top 10 positions in the

S&P - 500 - 31.5% and in the

Nasdaq-100 - 45.5%.


The fact that the top positions are in the same sector or at least have significant exposure to it leads to a cluster risk that should not be underestimated. (which does not mean that this has to materialize)



4. correlation of financial markets


It is often pointed out that the stock markets are so strongly correlated as a result of globalization that diversification is becoming less and less important. However, without realizing it, this also implies that the Markowitz model, which forms the basis of modern portfolio theory, is outdated. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markowitz_model)

However, the financial community disagrees.

In their 2018 paper "Global Portfolio Diversification for Long-Horizon Investors" [5], the authors Luis M. Viceira & Zixuan (Kevin) Wang documented a significant increase in cross-country return correlations of global equity and bond markets in the period 1986-2016, especially since the turn of the millennium. The main cause of the increase in global return correlations has been financial globalization, which has caused discount rate shocks in markets to become significantly more correlated in the SHORT TERM.

However, LONG-TERM global equity portfolio risk has not increased, optimal long-term portfolios are just as globally diversified and invested in equities as in the previous period, and the expected benefit of long-term investors from holding global equity portfolios has, if anything, increased.



5. summary


The USA belongs in every portfolio! Europe, Japan too! And yes, also the emerging markets and small caps.


However, an MSCI World already has 67% US exposure and a FTSE All-World 58%. You can think about reducing this proportion by buying the other regions. This should reduce the risk and increase the expected value in the long term. [5]

However, many people seem to believe that the last 15 years are more predictive of the future than the last 30, 50 or 100 years. This cognitive bias is also known as recency bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recency_bias) and repeatedly leads to mistakes, especially when investing.


The historically better equity returns in the USA can only be explained to a limited extent by higher earnings growth. [1] Part of the past returns (approx. 2% p.a.) has flowed into the valuation of companies. (the price has risen more than the value)

If the exact same company existed three times, in Germany, Austria and the USA, then the US company would be almost 2X as expensive as the German company and 3.5X as expensive as the Austrian company. http://worldperatio.com/

*(this is a very simplified comparison, as the sector weighting of the countries is not the same, and US tech in particular is historically expensive and has the highest weighting)


The premium described above results in a realistic scenario in which the US underperforms the market without the need for real economic factors. A simple change of sentiment would be enough; the information technology sector, which is particularly highly valued with a P/E ratio of 34.4 and which now accounts for 37% of the index, would be particularly affected.


How do the reasons given in the foreword for overweighting US equities hold up?


- The other countries are just performance chasers


A large part of the outperformance is due to the fact that companies have become more expensive. (Price has risen faster than value) There is no systematic explanation as to why this should continue in the future. High valuations tend to indicate lower returns in the long term. [1],[2], [3]



- Nothing works without the USA (markets are increasingly correlated)


This only applies to short time periods; in the long term, country diversification is just as important as in the past. [5]



- US companies earn their money worldwide (and are therefore automatically diversified)


Regulatory and currency risks are almost impossible to diversify away with US equities. [5], [4]



I hope I was able to give you food for thought...





Sources:


[1] The Long Run Is Lying to You

https://www.aqr.com/Insights/Perspectives/The-Long-Run-Is-Lying-to-You

https://www.aqr.com/-/media/AQR/Documents/Perspectives/The-Long-Run-Is-Lying-to-You.pdf?sc_lang=en&hash=760A756016E6F0AD31A666E101D867D8


[2] Accounting valuation, market expectation, and cross-sectional stock returns

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165410198000263


[3] Is The United States A Lucky Survivor: A Hierarchical Bayesian Approach

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3689958


[4] TradingView chart as image file attached (please don't hit me, my TradingView skills are not the best 😅)


[5] Global Portfolio Diversification for Long-Horizon Investors

https://www.nber.org/papers/w24646

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w24646/w24646.pdf




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That's partly how I see it too, which is why the EU, EM and SC also belong in my portfolio. However, I take a very positive view of the regulatory risks in the USA compared to other countries, especially China and Europe. In my opinion, this plays a major role.

The USA has a much more positive corporate and equity culture. Companies find very good conditions there and the USA will, in my opinion, always ensure that this remains the case. If necessary, economic interests will also be enforced by force of arms. This may be morally reprehensible, but it gives US companies a great advantage in international comparison.

In other words, I think that if two companies are identical, the one based in the USA has better chances and opportunities than the one based in the EU, for example. That is why I have overweighted the USA in my portfolio and will continue to do so.
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Cool contribution
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That is precisely why it is interesting to note where the companies make their money.
At LVMH, Asia accounts for 30% of sales...
And at Procter & Gamble, 50% comes from abroad.
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I enjoyed reading it. Great contribution 👍
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Explain that to Warren Buffett
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@ares1965 Old Warren is just a real patriot.
But if he had been born in Japan and had been a Japanese patriot who had implemented his value strategy there, nobody would know him today because his portfolio would have been pulverized in 1990.

Don't get me wrong, I have the greatest respect for Warren Buffett, but he is also a prime example of survivorship bias. (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_Bias)

If Turkey had been the country with the best stock returns in the last 100 years, we would all be saying today that the great patriot Murat Öztürk (name freely invented) is one of the best investors of all time.

I would like to refer you once again to:
[3] Is The United States A Lucky Survivor: A Hierarchical Bayesian Approach
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3689958

"US companies have done better than expected because of disasters that did NOT happen."
In other words, there was a lot of luck involved.
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@PowerWordChill Absolutely right! :-)
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Suppose an American company and a German company each generate 1/3 of their sales in America, USA and Asia.
Why would I have a greater currency risk with the American company?
In the end, they all generate 33% in euros, dollars and various Asian currencies, and in all cases I end up with the money converted into euros.
I myself have deliberately overweighted US equities in my portfolio, mainly for the reasons mentioned above and the fact that politics in the USA is much more business-friendly.
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@Daxdaniel It is not only about income flows, but also about fixed assets at home and abroad. These are always converted back to the home currency for accounting purposes.
If you wanted to, you could probably construct a theoretical company that has very little exchange rate risk. But in practice, most US companies make 50%+ of their sales in the US and have most of their assets there.

However, I'm not deep in the subject, but the literature is unanimous that this risk/opportunity exists.
And I'm not going to start questioning fundamental research now.
I'm a big proponent of, if you don't understand it, and consensus exists in the scientific community about it, then just believe it! 😅

As for being business friendly, YES I agree with you, EVERYONE agrees with you... and that's why it's already included in the prices. (as you can see from the ratings)
I myself also believe that the USA will develop better economically.
But since everyone knows it, it's already in the prices. So for US stocks to outperform the rest of the world, they have to have a lot more earnings growth than is currently assumed. (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markteffizienzhypothese)
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Good contribution. Also wavering between $SPY5 and $SPYI
I love US stocks, but I think the ACWI would be less of a worry in the long run. If there is a new world order, then the ACWI will automatically adjust and I will automatically have the stocks that perform well in my portfolio.
Perhaps my basic framework could be the ACWI and I can still place stocks around it that convince me 100% and accept an overweighting. But at the moment I am well diversified with the ACWI. You've got me thinking. Thank you @ccf
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Absolutely. The USA is important....but so are other parts of the world. That's why my portfolio is also called World-AG😅😅 because all regions are included.
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Great contribution 👍
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Very nice contribution. Many thoughts that also concern me. I tend to be skeptical about the (far) too high proportion of the USA in most portfolios. I have therefore significantly added EM. USA share in my portfolio at approx. 45% as a result.
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Very good contribution.
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Nice article, but the reality is different:

The USA will not relinquish its dominance of the world at any price.

- Be it the Arab Spring to prevent Gaddafi from founding a new currency union or
- Russia and China to become the new economic power (the Ukraine war is also wanted by the USA to keep Russia and co. busy)

There are many examples where other countries are driven into ruin by force of arms or at least support from an organization, or at least (as is now being done with Germany) to weaken their industry so that the companies move their production to the USA.

Please don't give me conspiracy theories. The fact is a fact.

As long as the Rothschilds and Rockefellers of this world are in power, there will be a LOT of investment in the USA. You can think about everything else when it becomes foreseeable that the USA will actually no longer have any Rockefellers and Rothschilds.
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@digidigi77 I don't know what you're talking about, but my post is about country diversification at portfolio level.

The Rothschilds and Rockefellers have not been able to prevent the last US crashes:

Black Tuesday / Great Crash (-86%) 300 months
Nixon Shock / OPEC Oil Embargo (-48%) 90 months
Dot Com Bubble (-49%) 86 months
Global Financial Crisis (-57%) 65 months

And I'm sure they won't pay your pension 😉

I doubt for the time being whether anything you say is "fact", as I am not aware of any publications that would prove this.
But you're welcome to link me to your sources, I'm always open to new things.
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As I was recently faced with the question $VWRL with or without $EQQQ I find the post very interesting, especially for a long investment horizon. In the next 5-10 years I still see the USA ahead, after that everything is written in the stars --> $VWRL
Interesting article!
You put a lot of effort into it, especially with the sources. I also feel caught out by the addition of the Nasdaq100, although this only accounts for a maximum of 15% of the portfolio.

What I "miss" in your explanation is that it is also true that the USA has the highest market capitalization.

I try to avoid this by dividing my portfolio a little more according to GDP (50:30:20). So USA:EM:Europe
Very good article, also interesting as a source would be World Order in Transition, where such risks are also discussed.
Very interesting post, I may have missed it, but could you explain your links to the individual ETFs under the post? What are they for?
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@fastforward are basically just hashtags, so the post shows up in "Discussion" when you search for the ETF, e.g:
https://app.getquin.com/en/etf/LU1931974692/prime-global-etf-dr-d/forum-discussion
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Oh okay, I see. But I have to say that there are a few interesting ETFs that I hadn't really heard of before.
What combination would you aim for with a €150 savings plan here?
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@fastforward everything in $GERD or <security:n/a:AT0000A2B4T3>
But I am also an advocate of factor investing.
And you should read up on the products beforehand so that you understand them.
@PowerWordChill you can chase me with these two :-D
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I am also thinking of yield brakes, because the yield is currently so brute due to the ki hype ... therefore it is difficult for me to invest money outside the usa.... E.g. in Asia and then in Europe ... how do you get this thought out of your head?
out of your head ?
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@Testo-Investor You have to look at it this way, all the information that is available today is already included in the prices. The US is so expensive (highly valued) because everyone knows they are top.
For the US to outperform the rest, companies have to exceed the high expectations.
China, on the other hand, has so many problems right now and nobody wants to touch it, so for them to beat the market, it's enough for them to do a little better than "crappy".

Expectations for the future are included in today's prices. That's why nobody can say today which markets will perform better in the next few years.

It follows that all markets have a similar expected value.

It follows that diversification does not reduce returns. 😘
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@PowerWordChill strong words! I'll think about it. A brand new etf has come out that would fit perfectly into my portfolio .... Xtracker MSCI world ex usa ... $exus ... have a look at extra etf ... I like the allocation extremely well ... and in combination with Asia it's perfect!
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@PowerWordChill do you want to talk on the phone for 30 minutes tomorrow and do a little interview? I'm kind of up for it!
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Interesting approach.
If I had taken the approach in the past of finding the world's highest-yielding companies without having a country in mind and not worrying about diversity.
What would have been the best approach?

Perhaps by sector.
Future-oriented companies.
What was the biggest revolution in the 20th century?
The invention of the Internet.
Which companies have and determine that.
Unfortunately, they are US companies.

There would also be an overweighting of Europe if
Microsoft, Apple, Alphabet, Meta etc.
were European companies
The big players are in the USA.

And SAP is just a small speck. And we all know what happened to Nokia.

And it's the same with the AI revolution.
Once again, the music is playing in the USA.

And this whole scenario is the reason for overweighting the USA.

China is constantly producing innovative companies. Which compete with US companies.
Especially in technology and e-mobility.
Into which enormous subsidies flow.
But the geopolitical risk always plays a major role here.
Some people keep talking about relocating to Indian companies.
However, it is sometimes difficult to invest directly in companies via shares and in some cases only possible via ADRs, which may slow India down again and lead it to prefer to remain invested in the USA.

From a purely corporate perspective, there is a lot to be said for the USA. And I don't think any other country will be able to catch up so quickly.

Of course, there is equally good technology and market leaders in Japan and South Korea, not to mention TSMC. Due to the trade war with the USA, China is also obtaining technology from these countries and therefore companies from these countries naturally belong in every portfolio.
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