2Semana·

Car industry: penalties waived

Far from "I LOVE VEHICLES": it probably makes sense to waive the fines now but maintain the targets. The largest manufacturers are so far along in the electrification process that they are at most moving a little more slowly towards electric cars, which in my view only makes sense for the extremely slow DE market.

However, if they take the pressure off again in terms of further development and stand still again technologically, I don't see any future for $VOW (-0,15 %) really have no future. The only thing that will save them until the release of the ID2 is the skepticism of Germans towards Chinese products.

I think 2027-2028 will be exciting. Would you have found the payments sensible?

31 Comentarios

Enrique@Dividenden_Monteur

1Semana

With rising fuel prices and rising CO2 prices, you will be forced to switch at some point one way or another.

I would guess that there will be another scrappage scheme to push the changeover further

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Gerald@portfolio_wizard_1415

1Semana

@Dividenden_Monteur I don't think a scrappage scheme is very likely, I think there is just as little money in the state coffers in the rest of Europe as in AT, where we have a massive austerity package ahead of us in the next 3 years, in my opinion. Besides, it's not very environmentally friendly to scrap cars that are still in working order, whether electric or fossil.

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Enrique@Dividenden_Monteur

1Semana

@portfolio_wizard_1415 Of course it's not environmentally friendly, but we've already had them 2 or 3 times in Germany.
It's all about subsidizing.

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Moritz@leveragegrinding

1Semana

@Dividenden_Monteur I pray that they finally tackle the infrastructure. If I can always get a charging spot on the highway and can pay with a card, it makes a lot more financial sense

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Enrique@Dividenden_Monteur

1Semana

@leveragegrinding I think the expansion is actually relatively quick by German standards.

When there is a proper used car market for electric cars at some point, it will also become more popular with the general public

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Elias Möller@Krynt

1Semana

@Dividenden_Monteur E-car charging is not cheaper!

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Smudo@Smudeo

1Semana

@Dividenden_Monteur would be good if there were a few thousand in it, I still have an old diesel steed. But then again that doesn't help the environment, see back then when they were shipped to Africa and the catalytic converter was removed there.

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Smudo@Smudeo

1Semana

@Krynt It depends.
Consumption between 20-25 KW/h per 100 km. Charging at home 10 Euro.
22 KW via tariff 12 euros,
Fast charger 17.5 euros.
Gasoline approx. 15 euros,
diesel approx. 10 euros.

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Moritz@leveragegrinding

1Semana

@Smudeo in the end, a calculation with the efficiency of the car, right? The 4-liter diesel will probably not be much more expensive, but with 8 liters of gasoline per 100 km, it just depends on how far you get with 22kw in the end AND whether politicians finally manage to set up a reasonable price market for charging prices.

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Elias Möller@Krynt

1Semana

@leveragegrinding I have a Tesla and 3 combustion engines, including a new CLE. To be honest, the price difference is negligible

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Moritz@leveragegrinding

1Semana

@Krynt Do you charge at home?

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Fblthp@TotallyLost

1Semana

From what I've heard, quite a few renewable energy experts are against converting transportation to electric power until the energy transition has progressed further.
Besides, public transportation is always better than individual transportation.
We should promote buses and trains more.
Nevertheless, climate protection remains one of the most important issues of the next 30 - 100 years.

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Enrique@Dividenden_Monteur

1Semana

@Bitconnect But public transport is so badly cut back here that it's simply not an option for many people in the countryside.

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Fblthp@TotallyLost

1Semana

@Dividenden_Monteur That's why this should also be expanded instead of putting the money into subsidies for Tesla 😘

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Enrique@Dividenden_Monteur

1Semana

@Bitconnect I think you could subsidize 10 Tesla plants for that money....
When I think of our new federal states alone

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Fblthp@TotallyLost

1Semana

@Dividenden_Monteur If Austria can do it, you Germans can do it too

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Dividendenopi👴@Dividendenopi

1Semana

@Bitconnect I wouldn't be so sure about that 😇🤷‍♂️

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Moritz@leveragegrinding

1Semana

@Bitconnect that's nonsense, please name the experts
Thanks to the battery boom in the grid and the improved wind power approvals, we will soon be at the point where we NEED even more electrification to avoid having to export electricity.
As the political position on heat pumps is unfortunately slow, more e-cars will have to be registered in the next few years.

In the best case scenario, they can also feed into the grid and store electricity, but that is probably too much to hope for.

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Fblthp@TotallyLost

1Semana

@leveragegrinding I think it was Prof. Dr. Quatschnik... But I'm not sure anymore... and to be honest I'm too lazy to look it up right now. But maybe tomorrow 😘

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Fblthp@TotallyLost

1Semana

@leveragegrinding I HAVE THE SOURCE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbSEfu6g3c4
PROF. DR. LUCZAK in an interview with Tim Gabel.
from minute 53 😘

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Moritz@leveragegrinding

1Semana

@Bitconnect hey i know that 🙃

The answer in a nutshell:
There are many economists who say that the process doesn't happen that quickly and that's why you have to start.
He assumes that we first need a lot of renewables and then use e-cars, but cars are used for years and not bought new just because renewables are now available. But he also says this himself at some point in the podcast, after hour 2.

:)

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Sparfuchs@Reinecke

1Semana

Electric cars are nothing special - electric motors that have already been fully tested in the industry and electricity. The batteries are important - we can't do that. The grid expansion - we haven't done that. The software - the German solution is once again reinventing the wheel, so we can't do that either. So it only makes sense to take some of the pressure off here first. Perhaps we should use the time to convert the traffic and infrastructure to electric first before introducing electric cars. I don't give a damn about the CO2 tax. If fuel costs twice as much, then I'll just save on consumption. Then not by car to the Baltic Sea but by plane to Malle costs 1/5.

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Smudo@Smudeo

1Semana

@Reinecke Everything is correct for Europe. I have traveled to many countries and it is not possible to get constant electricity for charging with the masses of people there.
Blackouts, unsecured cabling, underground garages, etc. No high voltage current etc. For me, the electric car is an option but not a substitute.

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Sparfuchs@Reinecke

1Semana

@Smudeo true, but it has also been shown that in many developing countries it is easier to generate electricity than to import gasoline. But as I mentioned at the beginning, if a rich country like Germany can't get its act together, then you can't take electromobility for granted as the standard. Countries like Norway simply have to be excluded here.

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Moritz@leveragegrinding

1Semana

@Smudeo I actually thought that too, but it's wrong. Since cars are stationary most of the time, the cable, which is laid anyway, only needs to be equipped with many small ends everywhere. That will still come....
As long as e cars are only exciting from 35k, it will remain a luxury product anyway. That's why it will be more exciting in 2-3 years, either the Chinese will have enough capacity to sell here or VW will have woken up.

Of course, the infrastructure has to catch up, there's no question about that. Just like you have to switch to electricity in heat generation now... But gas heating systems are still being installed without end, which will certainly run for 25 years.

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Rodrigo Figueiras@Figueiras

1Semana

UE continua a pensar que é o centro do mundo…acho que a Ue vai ter mais com se preocupar seriamente do que com a indústria automóvel.

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Moritz@leveragegrinding

1Semana

@Figueiras why?

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