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Left-wing leader criticizes profit with Rheinmetall shares

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Hello everyone, are defense stocks a no-go for you, or are you invested?


Left-wing leader Jan van Aken finds it "disgusting" that people make millions in profits from the suffering of other people and is calling for an excess profits tax on arms companies. Why his team still holds two shares.


Left Party leader Jan van Aken is outraged by the high price gains on shares in the arms company Rheinmetall, which his team acquired years ago. "Eight years ago, we bought two Rheinmetall shares, an arms company, you need the shares if you want to say a few clever things at a shareholders' meeting or make a bit of nonsense," said van Aken at the Left Party conference in Chemnitz.


And he continued: "I had a look yesterday and do you know that we have earned 3,200 euros in these few years with two piffle shares that cost just 180 euros? (...) I find it disgusting that people are making millions in profits from the war and suffering of other people. That's why I think we need an excess profits tax for arms companies with immediate effect. Nobody should be allowed to make money from the suffering of other people, never ever."


His team wants to continue holding shares


According to Van Aken himself, he does not own any Rheinmetall shares. He announced that his team's two shares would not be sold. "Because the next shareholders' meeting is sure to come, and maybe you'll hear from us then."


The armaments group's share price has risen sharply since 2022. The company has recorded significant sales growth due to high defense spending. According to preliminary calculations, turnover grew by around 46% to 2.3 billion euros in the first quarter of this year alone.


According to Rheinmetall, the order books are fuller than ever. The order backlog reached a new high of 55 billion euros, compared to 38.3 billion euros in the previous year.


https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/rheinmetall-jan-van-aken-kritisiert-profite-aus-ruestungsaktien-a-129b3233-bcbd-4356-a33e-9145b5e4acb7

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According to left-wing logic, he is therefore an accomplice. He should be ashamed of himself and resign.
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You can see how stupid and crazy the left are. This is the best example that shows that you can save a nice sum on the stock market, even with small amounts, and that you would be well protected for old age. Instead, he whines and complains that companies are doing too well. The left should be banned because of their incompetence and the way they take the people for a ride.
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@Transporter
Perhaps a good example of avoiding poverty in old age. Which the left would like to combat.
@Transporter Huh, can't you do that without defense stocks? Or have I missed something?
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@investment_guru_2035 Mr. Aken complains that his 2 shares in Rheinmetall have risen from 180 euros to 3 thousand something and that this cannot be true. My point was that this is perfect proof that you can generate an adequate additional income for old age with small investments in shares and the like.
@Tenbagger2024 According to them, every "rich person" must be expropriated and the money then redistributed. And then all the problems are solved. I have no idea how you can pay any attention to the left at all...
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@Transporter
Politicians should ensure that poverty does not arise in the first place.
Then there wouldn't always be such envy debates.
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@Transporter Yes, but he obviously doesn't want any defense stocks at all - that's why I say that it would be just as possible with other positions than Rheinmetall and Co.
@Transporter Dude, relax, not every "leftist" (everything except AfD by now? ) wants to get your money, destroy your future and steal your wife.
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@Tenbagger2024 So it's "politics"! For around 80 years, "politics" has ensured that you live in one of the safest and wealthiest countries in the world. More and more people in our beautiful country are resting on their laurels and enjoying themselves in foolproof hammocks.
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@investment_guru_2035
Well, you have to differentiate here between recipients of citizen's allowance. And those who work all day and still have nothing left at the end of the month. And cannot make provisions. And fall into poverty in old age despite a lifetime of hard work.
Or the single mother.
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@investment_guru_2035 I honestly don't know what this comment is about and I'm not your age. But listen to Heidi Reichinnek or Jan Van Aken. Then you'll know what the left would like to do.
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Personally, I don't hold any (real) defense stocks for precisely these ethical reasons, but I also believe that everyone should decide for themselves and whoever does is not a worse person for it. The fact that wars bring benefits for some while others suffer massively is in the nature of things and has always been the case, and as long as the formula for world peace is not found, this will always be the case, regardless of whether it is capitalism, autocracy or socialism. A nationalized Rheinmetall under a blue federal government is not a scenario I want here either, I'd rather have billions in profits in the private sector with which Hans-Jürgen can improve his pension and Justus can dream of the Maldives.

As long as a company abides by the law and doesn't secretly equip any terrorist militias, a company like Rheinmetall also has a right to exist; right now we can be quite happy that we have a German company in this sector. And if Mr. van Aken wants to use his shares to express his opinion at RHM's Annual General Meeting, then he is welcome to do so and that is his right. But I think an excess profits tax is nonsense; business models must be allowed to be successful, even if you don't like the reason for their success. Otherwise it can very quickly end in arbitrariness.
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@DieEnte7
In a country like Russia or China, Aken would have been in prison for a long time. Nor would he have the opportunity to speak his mind at a general assembly.
Defense also means deterrence, which serves to prevent wars.
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@Tenbagger2024 He is allowed to express his opinion and I would theoretically like to live in a "van Aken world" in which you can't profit from war, at least in connection with the arms industry, if it worked. But it just doesn't.
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@DieEnte7
Perhaps this armaments and defense industry also serves this purpose. To create a peaceful world. By preventing wars through deterrence.
Perhaps this also makes it a peace industry.
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@Tenbagger2024 I would even say, for sure! It doesn't feel like it at the moment, but basically the world has rarely been as peaceful as it is now and that can also be attributed to advanced weapons.
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The eternal discussion.... If Rheinmetall did not exist as an AG, then Rheinmetall would exist in some other legal form. The debt capital would be provided by banks and not one less weapon would be produced.
Accordingly, one would not be allowed to invest in shares such as $TKA. Although that's actually a stupid example, since they also produce weapons themselves. $SHEL and co are also not allowed to invest since the tanks have to be powered somehow. $MAERSK B and co since they ship the goods. $SIE are not allowed since they produce the electronics for the tanks. This could go on forever. Rheinmetall is simply at the end of the food chain. Should we therefore avoid or curse them? In my eyes, definitely not.
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@Hotte1909 Your attempt to respond meaningfully to stupid populism is admirable, but ultimately pointless. These pawn catchers know exactly what they are doing.
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I will gladly give Mr. Van Aken my securities account number and he can transfer the $RHM shares. Then he'll be rid of his guilty conscience and I'll be €3,500 richer. A win-win situation, so to speak.
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@Multibagger
And you then represent his opinion at the AGM. 🙈😂
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@Tenbagger2024 Exactly, it's not a problem for me.
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But when his left-wing Ultras throw stones on May Day and deliberately and presumably destroy other people's property - nobody cares! I call for the LINKE to be banned! :-)
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Yes, the left.
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Well, first of all, it can certainly be said that it is difficult to evaluate a view of capitalism if the author of the statement is basically opposed to the concept itself.

There is a lot of current literature on the subject of wealth/wealth that indirectly abolishes capitalism through redistribution, perhaps not in its entirety, but at least intends to curtail it in its current form to such an extent that the models have little in common.

I think that these imaginative societies actually improve some of the individual problems that are (sometimes justifiably) denounced. However, there is usually a lack of reflection on the big picture, as a "just" (or however you want to declare it) society is the sum of many parameters.
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You simply can't take this man seriously. Naive to the point of hair splatter, always under the guise of pacifism.
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"Making nonsense at the AGM" at a company that literally saves our existence from Russian imperialism. These people have really never created anything of value, it's all about envy, expropriation and control.

I'm glad we live in a country where these clowns are free to speak their minds, but my goodness, this is really stupid even for leftists.
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So with an excess profits tax, the state benefits and earns from the suffering of other people. The gentleman has an interesting understanding 😅
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Mr. Van Aken is indignant about armaments profits but holds Rheinmetall shares himself and is happy about a 3,200 euro plus. Sell? No, you want to continue "taking action".

Anyone who takes our security seriously knows that there is no protection without a strong defense industry. The fact that companies like Rheinmetall are growing is not a scandal - it is necessary!

Instead of constantly demonizing the economy and defence, the left should ask itself what it contributes to the security of this country. Preaching morality but quietly making money is true hypocrisy. As we know it from our "friends of the constitution" on the left.
But who would love to proclaim socialism ;).
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Dude - my dream would be for the tanks, weapons and ammunition to gather dust for billions. In such large numbers that no one would even think of attacking. I'm invested for exactly this reason. Nobody attacks a rattlesnake because they know it could end badly. You leave them alone and give them a wide berth. It has to be the same in defense.
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@Cookiebug
It's a pity that NATO didn't make this rattlesnake available to Ukraine. Then this war wouldn't have happened in the first place.
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Well, these are people who idolize communism and socialism and worship people like Mao and Stalin. Morally, you shouldn't let them tell you anything.
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I have absolutely no concerns here, regardless of the share. A company that is traded on the stock exchange is - first of all - subject to the relevant legislation.

If I start sorting things out - where do you draw the line? What should a company be allowed to do and what not? One person says that anything with weapons is stupid, the next says that any company that does not have at least 50% of its board of directors made up of women is evil, and the next recommends only investing in shares whose employees use chlorine-free bleached recycled toilet paper.

Nenene. If you look, you'll find things in every company that someone else rejects.
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@Charmin
My dear I am invested in $LTMC. Which gives me pleasure. But others have a problem with gambling companies. Which I accept, but I myself am happy about the price increase
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@Tenbagger2024 I didn't even know that there were listed gambling companies. It's a money-printing machine ...

It's a shame that they pay relatively low dividends and have a pretty sporty valuation with a P/E ratio of >50 ... but I still have to take a close look at them ...
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@Charmin
https://www.onvista.de/aktien/kennzahlen/Lottomatica-Aktie-IT0005541336

According to OnVista P/E ratio of 18 which drops to 13 due to triple-digit earnings growth.
Or am I missing something here?
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@Tenbagger2024 Strange. Here on Getquin it shows me differently. I'll have to check ...
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@Charmin
Think the multiples are attractive, you can look for an 18 P/E ratio with triple-digit earnings growth with a magnifying glass 🙈
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@Tenbagger2024 However. I wonder what the catch is ...
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@Charmin
She has come through the mini-crash well so far. Because it doesn't care about tariffs. And so far I'm glad to have them in my portfolio.
Quarterly figures were also good. And the company continues to expand. See my posts under the share
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@Tenbagger2024 I have now started a small position (3K) - thanks for the tip.

PS: I don't know if you can call losses of 20 percent and more a mini-crash. Sure, most PFs are (almost) back in the black, so the duration was mini, but I wouldn't call the crash as such "mini".

And: I am very skeptical that this is it.
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@Charmin
Yes, due to the uncertainty caused by 🍊, I think Lottomatica is a good balance for the portfolio.
I hope we are successful with it
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@Tenbagger2024

"I hope we are successful with it"

In the long term anyway. The share will remain in the portfolio until 2030 for the time being and will be topped up depending on the market situation.
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Of course I have Rheinmetall in my portfolio. They do a bit more than just armaments, but in the end nobody talks about that either. I also doubt whether the single seat or the two seats at a shareholders' meeting make the difference.

In the meantime, weren't the left-wing parties one of the parties that do not recognize and question the international definition of anti-Semitism? Hmm...

Seriously, for 5 minutes: everyone would be happy if we didn't need all this defense equipment. But we are not there and until then I would like to see a highly armed Europe that can stand up to autocrats. So: I'm invested.

Incidentally, I can very well understand those who can't for moral reasons.
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What this man says only affects me peripherally.
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What about pharma firms profiting from medicines ? It's a slippery slope.
NoGo... but I'm probably in the minority here. Maybe it helps the karma... :-)
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"or want to do a bit of nonsense" ... Left-wingers just do left-wing things.
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If the weapons being produced now are ever needed for the defense of Europe... I don't want to imagine the rump.
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If you look at the content unemotionally (which is of course difficult when it comes to armaments and weapons), it is macabre to make a profit from it. Ultimately, you are betting that more conflicts will arise. Ultimately, however, this should not be passed on to the small investor who wants to improve his pension. Mr. von Aken's statement is not a departure from left-wing theory, so it is not surprising, which is why the outrage here makes me smile. Issues on the left make sense to some extent in my opinion (e.g. wealth inequality), but one should also be open to other ideas (on the economic liberal side, e.g. the equity pension). More understanding for other democratic parties would cool down the whole internal conflict in the country.
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@Seebi Couldn't describe it better, that's exactly how it is. Even worse are the people who vote for such morons, I wonder what kind of person they must be to vote for something like that.
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