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Ethics

Should morals matter in the stock market?



Also this time I would like to tell for all who do not know me (yet) again briefly who I am. For all those who already know, I am still looking forward to your feedback! For the rest: I am 15 years old, so I can not yet trade independently on the stock market. Why do I then worry about such questions? My father has a deposit (no, it's not deposited here yet) for me, which I get on my 18th birthday.

In the meantime, I am allowed to make my own decisions within a certain framework.

So, if you wanted to get to know me better, you can find a longer introduction in my profile. And of course I would be happy about your feedback and suggestions! Only so I collect experience and can improve my contributions in the future!



Introduction

Recently I was shown an advertisement for a green ETF on Getquin. It would only invest in ecological and sustainable companies. There was also a corresponding seal, but I'll get to that in a moment. Under the contribution was an interesting comment.

It would not matter in which values one would invest, in the end it depends on the yield.

Opinions differed as to whether his children could be proud of such a portfolio and whether there were no moral values.

But is ethics at the stock exchange helpful, perhaps also necessary, and how exactly with it money is earned?

That is what this article is about.


Why is ethics not equal bad?

When I invest in a company, I automatically invest in its future.

Explained with a simple example.

If I invest in an oil company and intend to hold my position for several decades, I assume that oil will play an even greater role in the coming years than it does now.

It probably won't. We all know the problem with climate change, that we have to become more ecological in the long run is out of question. Nevertheless, many people still invest in $Shell or $Total. Why?

Companies know that they have to adapt to the times. The same is true for the climate issue, even though a lot of money is still spent on lobbying to prevent stricter climate protection laws. Nevertheless, almost all major oil companies have plans to become "greener" in the long term. Shell wants to have zero CO2 emissions by 2050.

Let's get back to the original question. People are thinking more and more ethically. The range of vegan and organic products in supermarkets is growing. More and more people are switching to electric vehicles. In short, people are thinking and acting more and more according to their morals. Even when it comes to purchasing decisions. Companies have no choice but to follow suit. If they don't, sales suffer and so does the entire company.

In summary, if you are considering whether a company will still be stable in the future, you should ask yourself whether people will still be willing to operate their oil-fired heating systems in 10 years' time (to take up the example from a moment ago) or to continue to drive so many cars.



Why is a lot of money made with morals on the stock market?

The term "greenwashing" will mean something to most people here. I would like to explain it nevertheless for all others briefly.

Greenwashing is the attempt to make a product that is actually not very ecological suddenly seem less so. Big oil companies like to greenwash with CO2 certificates, an industry which is well known for its lies.

(can make in addition also gladly again a contribution).

In the supermarket this is done with seals issued by the same company that sells the product. This is due to the fact that many terms may simply be used by corporations without following guidelines.

We have a similar problem with supposedly "green" or "sustainable" ETFs. Don't get me wrong, certainly not all investments have this problem, but a Tagesschau article published five months ago shows that you should take a closer look. For all those who want to know more about the topic, I have linked the article below. For all others, here is the short version.

A reporter was asked to talk to banks such as Sparkasse, HypoVereinsbank and Commerzbank. Subsequently, research was carried out. Out came, ALL ETFs have at least one major defense contractor in their portfolio. At HypoVereinsbank, they recommended an ETF which $MTUAY , an engine manufacturer also for the Eurofighter, in the portfolio.

Oil and gas companies were also represented in many of the supposedly green investments. TotalEngines appears in several "sustainable" equity funds.


The fundamental problem, however, is the ESG criterion that measures the sustainability of an ETF (more of an experiment so far, unfortunately). A fundamentally good thing, if the ESG is not measured differently by each responsible agency. What is considered sustainable and what is not, they decide themselves. And what else doesn't one do for the order of a large bank...?

Also a problem, the term sustainability is not bound to any regulation, we remember the supermarket, the same debacle.


How could such problems be solved?

There are many proposals, unfortunately little is implemented. A simple suggestion, more transparency from the banks. After all, who would invest in an "ecological" ETF that holds arms corporations?

Another idea is to protect terms such as "green", "environmentally friendly", etc. and to link their use to specifications. This is already done in the supermarket with the term "organic".

Last but not least, a uniform system for ESG would lead to a better and, above all, more trustworthy issuance of certificates.


Conclusion

Investing money ethically can be not only good but also necessary to achieve good returns in the long run. However, morals alone should not prevail over everything else, because that is not what the stock market is for. Sustainable funds could be a solution, but they would have to be better regulated by law. Especially concerning the use of terms like "green" or "ecological".

Last but not least, everyone has a different idea of morality. To answer the initial question whether his children could be proud of such a portfolio, I think so.


#etfs
#nachhaltig
#greenwashing


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Tagesschau article:

https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/swr/vollbild-etf-geldanlage-nachhaltigkeit-101.html


Sources:

https://de.extraetf.com/news/etf-news/greenwashing-wie-koennen-anleger-sich-vor-der-gruenen-mogelpackung-schuetzen


https://www.ecoreporter.de/artikel/studie-sieht-greenwashing-im-großen-stil-bei-fonds-und-etfs/


https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/swr/vollbild-etf-geldanlage-nachhaltigkeit-101.html

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Please meet my youngest sister. 😅
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@Gerit 2 possible scenarios: 1. she runs with FfF and you want to see the discussion 2. you want to set her up because he seems to be very advanced for his age, at least in terms of logical thinking and financial literacy :) I choose both and find it all the more fun.
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@Kalle2 Fridays for Future
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In the case of ETFs, I unfortunately had to put my morals aside with a heavy heart. But I'm still reluctant to invest in individual shares of oil companies. However, if you are really strict with your morals, you should probably not invest in any of the companies with top returns. Amazon has bad working conditions, Tesla threatens to fire people if they don't work overtime, Pepsi, Coca-Cola and Nestlé produce the most plastic waste, Alphabet consumes huge amounts of electricity with all its services. Etc. Etc. There is always the question of where to start and where to stop with morality.
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@Enyana I see it exactly the same way!
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@Enyana Alphabet actually has a high percentage of renewable energy.
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@Slakish a high share is of course better than a small share or no share at all, but with the magnitude of the energy consumption, the share should probably rather be 100%.
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Because of people like you, I have hope that the pension may still be something. Top!
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@D-Duck that depends on where. in one of the biggest 10 cities in DE or Berlin/ NRW : absolutely. otherwise: there is hope ;) also I can and could merge with the group of people you are talking about, but therefore I am not a burden for the system yet. most of them grow up.
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@D-Duck As a general rule, I would say that most of them do become reasonable after all. At least that's what my experience has shown. Especially the awareness in the direction of the environment and sustainability or the meaning of work, etc. is very strong in the generation after me. Every generation has its messes, times should just not be measured by it :)
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@D-Duck thank you!
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I think that weapons are sustainable. A democracy must be able to defend itself against other non-democratic powers. Without weapons, there is no democracy and no climate protection.
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@itZNico a really interesting view!
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Great post! ☺️ @ccf
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@mariechristines thank you very much!
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For now, respect with what topics you deal with 15, if you continue to stay on the ball, you will go your way. On the subject of sustainability, there are unfortunately too many greedy people in the world to whom money is simply more important than people and resources. The theme is always the same, where money is earned, others are exploited. Renewable energy is all well and good, but always ask yourself what resources are needed and where they come from. Educate yourself with books and decide for yourself. You will make mistakes, but they are part of life. Much done... 😊
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Respect.
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@Griffin thank you very much!
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Great! Would have been glad to have been introduced to the stock market so early, too....
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@General_T_Regnery thank you! Am really very grateful to my father there
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@General_T_Regnery yes at 19 life is over of course, by then you have usually already earned your first million on the stock market 🙄
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@KleinviehmachtMist
Nope, it's not necessarily about the few years that I lost through it. But possibly I would not have been aware of the stock market and the capital market as an investment my whole life at all... Because I was rather the classic saver with savings book (role model: grandparents) I thank my friend from the bottom of my heart, who happened to talk about it when I was present. For this enrichment I am still grateful for today! ❤️
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@General_T_Regnery I'm sure you would have stumbled across the stock market for the remaining 59 years or so.
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@KleinviehmachtMist
Possibly. but whether I would have engaged more than a little is questionable. older people are usually rather unteachable and very entrenched in their views. 😉
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If you want to win, you sometimes have to go over dead bodies. This also includes investing in an immoral share.
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Well written without a doubt, but climate is a "luxury problem" people buy less and less organic's was just a few days ago articles to. the stores make here in the city row by row to close, sad but true. I do not understand eh what a difference that should make, the companies continue to exist and make huge profits whether there the green invest their money or not makes little difference. Or do you do that so that you feel better? As a consumer you have much more influence on it. I was recently in the USA do you really think they want to do without their 3 ton trucks with 15 liters consumption? Well you are still young
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@Kai1986 In the long term, the people in the USA will have no other choice, otherwise their coastal towns will be flooded. I don't believe that climate is a luxury problem. It affects each of us, the poor even more someone with good money.
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@Kai1986 A luxury problem is a problem that is not really a problem. I guess that's not what you meant. I think you meant that you have to be able to afford to pay attention to the climate. That's true of organic food, and to a certain extent it's true of electric cars. But if you look at the big picture, it's not more expensive or even cheaper. biking to work is cheaper than driving, coffee in a cup is cheaper than coffee2go, reusable cosmetic pads are cheaper in the long run than the disposable alternative, rags are cheaper in the long run than zewa, etc. Climate is more a question of convenience than money.
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Very mature views. I agree that everyone has their moral compass polarized differently. One company doesn't work at all for person A. Person B, however, may still find it okay. In the end, everyone has to know for themselves whether it is right or wrong. However, I would rather not invest in green if the return is bad. After all, the stock market is not welfare, but I want to increase my money.
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@MyDepotUpdate thank you for the praise!
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Man, I wish I had been that far-sighted when I was 15! ESG certification is also a cost issue for companies, etc. In any case, I agree with you on "oil companies in children's depots sustainable"?!
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@Greenery thank you very much!
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Yield > Morale. Tobacco companies, armaments and oil - all in the portfolio if it is promising in the long term 😏
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I do not understand the context in terms of morality. I also do not find ethics here. Why is it immoral to invest in BP, for example? Do they distribute child porn or are they involved in the illegal organ trade ? Do they plunge countries into civil wars to get their raw materials ? What exactly is so immoral ?
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A small but nevertheless important mistake at the outset: Anyone who invests in oil companies does not assume that they will play a greater role in the future than they do today. He merely follows the assessment that oil companies will play a greater role than the market currently assumes. Broken down: if I myself assume that profits will fall by 30%, but the market prices in much higher profit losses, then an investment makes sense from my point of view - even though I have negative views compared to today's situation. Otherwise, a nice article and great that you are already dealing so intensively with the subject of shares at this age 👍🏼
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Invest in things you want to see in the world, things you want to see grow. For everything, there are personal limits and difficulties to paint black and white. Nevertheless, one assumes a responsibility in the capital market. Everyone should be aware of this. What he makes of it, then again everyone must work out for and with himself.
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